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I hate this types of comments because as an ex-fb I did care deeply about communication tools and social networks.

by baby 5y ago

olliej 5y ago
It doesn’t matter how much you care about those if your business model is still just to stoke extremism. If I come across someone that has Fb on their resume I’m going to be considering the period of their tenure in my assessment of their character.
- tomnipotent 5y ago
  So your answer to extremism is more extremism? Maybe the thing you should be taking away from Facebook in their resume, is that they're no longer working there. There's nothing to be gained from crapping on ex-Facebook employees that doesn't seem to boil down to ego-stroking and making sure people know how high your moral horse is.
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  - olliej 5y ago
    No, I'm going to look at the period of their tenure - if they made the choice to go to Fb when it was well clear what it was, that's on them - if they started before and then left once it became clear that would be a positive. All in all, if you choose to work for a shitty company, or doing shitty things, you should assume people will use that as part of their opinion of you. I do not get how that becomes any extremism of any kind - that's just standard outcome of reading someone's resume?
    - baby 5y ago
      And if you write comments like this, you should assume some people are going to think your a judgmental and closed minded person
- baby 5y ago
  That is not fb’s business model.
RodgerTheGreat 5y ago
Just don't care much about the consequences of how they're used, eh?
hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
To be purposefully blunt, nobody cares. I'm sure there are good, nice people at Facebook. But the reason they're all able to enjoy insane salaries and perks is because Facebook's business is to keep their users hooked on their platforms as much as possible, track their users as much as possible, and then sell this information. I mean, kudos to you I guess for "caring deeply" about communications tools and social networks, but none of that can change the incentives inherent in Facebook's business model.
- charcircuit 5y ago
  Facebook doesn't sell the information. It uses the information to improve the experience for their users, to prevent abuse of their services, and to allow advertisers to do more specific targeting with their campaigns.
  - hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
    F'ing spare me. You are correct, I should have used clearer language, but by "sell the information" I meant that they monetized the information to make money selling ads. But let's stop with the idea that somehow Facebook's data Hoover is somehow a benefit. Facebook could very easily get rid of all the problems they have on their site which require minimal data collection, but it would also cost them many billions of dollars, so they won't do it.
  - lesuorac 5y ago
    I guess $0 is technically not selling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica#Data_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica#Data_scand...
    - charcircuit 5y ago
      Users consented in giving their information to a third party and then were betrayed by that third party misusing using the data. Personally I believe there in a big difference between a company giving your data to another company behind your back and doing so after you have approved it first.
_jal 5y ago
I don't say this to pile on, but I've spent years telling head hunters from FB (among others) that my ethics are not for sale. I've made less money and operated at smaller scales as a result. Everyone makes their own choices.
- baby 5y ago
  No, everyone makes their own opinions. I always believed that fb was a good company, that’s why I went to work there.
filoleg 5y ago
If it helps, a lot of the replies you are getting to this is just another "vocal minority on HN" effect. Which is not representative of the reality at all. In real life, people use tiktok, people use facebook, people use snapchat, and the only thing that other people worth their salt will get from seeing that you used to work at FB is "hm, they must at least be a somewhat decent dev with solid understanding of the area they worked on". The people who are the loudest in their condemnation of you, purely due to your former employment at fb, aren't the ones you are likely to ever cross paths with in any meaningful way in the first place. And that's a good thing.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  People are annoyed at the holier than thou BS given in instances like this or that Netflix doc. People who are keeping the millions made from social media and purporting to now be doing benevolent work. Most don’t care if you just worked for FB and aren’t saying silly stuff.

I hate this types of comments because as an ex-fb I did care deeply about communication tools and social networks.

by baby 5y ago

I hate this types of comments because as an ex-fb I did care deeply about communication tools and social networks.

It doesn’t matter how much you care about those if your business model is still just to stoke extremism. If I come across someone that has Fb on their resume I’m going to be considering the period of their tenure in my assessment of their character.

tomnipotent 5y ago
So your answer to extremism is more extremism? Maybe the thing you should be taking away from Facebook in their resume, is that they're no longer working there. There's nothing to be gained from crapping on ex-Facebook employees that doesn't seem to boil down to ego-stroking and making sure people know how high your moral horse is.
- deleted 5y ago
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- olliej 5y ago
  No, I'm going to look at the period of their tenure - if they made the choice to go to Fb when it was well clear what it was, that's on them - if they started before and then left once it became clear that would be a positive. All in all, if you choose to work for a shitty company, or doing shitty things, you should assume people will use that as part of their opinion of you. I do not get how that becomes any extremism of any kind - that's just standard outcome of reading someone's resume?
  - baby 5y ago
    And if you write comments like this, you should assume some people are going to think your a judgmental and closed minded person
baby 5y ago
That is not fb’s business model.

RodgerTheGreat 5y ago

Just don't care much about the consequences of how they're used, eh?

hn_throwaway_99 5y ago

To be purposefully blunt, nobody cares. I'm sure there are good, nice people at Facebook. But the reason they're all able to enjoy insane salaries and perks is because Facebook's business is to keep their users hooked on their platforms as much as possible, track their users as much as possible, and then sell this information. I mean, kudos to you I guess for "caring deeply" about communications tools and social networks, but none of that can change the incentives inherent in Facebook's business model.

charcircuit 5y ago
Facebook doesn't sell the information. It uses the information to improve the experience for their users, to prevent abuse of their services, and to allow advertisers to do more specific targeting with their campaigns.
- hn_throwaway_99 5y ago
  F'ing spare me. You are correct, I should have used clearer language, but by "sell the information" I meant that they monetized the information to make money selling ads. But let's stop with the idea that somehow Facebook's data Hoover is somehow a benefit. Facebook could very easily get rid of all the problems they have on their site which require minimal data collection, but it would also cost them many billions of dollars, so they won't do it.
- lesuorac 5y ago
  I guess $0 is technically not selling. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica#Data_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambridge_Analytica#Data_scand...
  - charcircuit 5y ago
    Users consented in giving their information to a third party and then were betrayed by that third party misusing using the data. Personally I believe there in a big difference between a company giving your data to another company behind your back and doing so after you have approved it first.

_jal 5y ago

I don't say this to pile on, but I've spent years telling head hunters from FB (among others) that my ethics are not for sale. I've made less money and operated at smaller scales as a result. Everyone makes their own choices.

baby 5y ago
No, everyone makes their own opinions. I always believed that fb was a good company, that’s why I went to work there.

filoleg 5y ago

If it helps, a lot of the replies you are getting to this is just another "vocal minority on HN" effect. Which is not representative of the reality at all. In real life, people use tiktok, people use facebook, people use snapchat, and the only thing that other people worth their salt will get from seeing that you used to work at FB is "hm, they must at least be a somewhat decent dev with solid understanding of the area they worked on". The people who are the loudest in their condemnation of you, purely due to your former employment at fb, aren't the ones you are likely to ever cross paths with in any meaningful way in the first place. And that's a good thing.

skinnymuch 5y ago
People are annoyed at the holier than thou BS given in instances like this or that Netflix doc. People who are keeping the millions made from social media and purporting to now be doing benevolent work. Most don’t care if you just worked for FB and aren’t saying silly stuff.