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You are trying to build your arguments with particular cases. It's more fundamental than that in my opinion: Freedom, necessitates, that people are free to chos

by csomar 5y ago

You are trying to build your arguments with particular cases. It's more fundamental than that in my opinion: Freedom, necessitates, that people are free to chose how much they sell their labor for. Now if you care for fairness, you should look that people are paid fairly in proportion to how much wealth they have generated for the business. That's obviously something people like Sam Altman wouldn't want you to think: That means tech businesses would have to share their bounty with software developers (and other employees) relatively to how much they contributed. The bounty share should remain for the lifetime of the company. Obviously, no one in the leadership of the tech industry will want to entertain that. They would rather focus on hospitality businesses and businesses they have no business in.

Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago
I would be fine with a $0.00 minimum wage if, and only if, the employees are paid 100% off the value they create. Since this is impossible and would be gamed we must consider alternatives like minimum wages pegged to the real cost of living and forcing localities to address systemic issues in access to housing and other necessities.
- Ekaros 5y ago
  Also value is quite interesting question once we move out of pure software. Let's take a smartphone. What is the split in value between the coder of OS or some feature and the person who puts it together? Clearly the later should have much more value as without their work out side licensing the first work have zero value or even negative in spend resources. So shouldn't they really be paid larger share of smartphone price than the software developer.
alasdair_ 5y ago
> Freedom, necessitates, that people are free to chose how much they sell their labor for. Does it also necessitate which health and safety standards to follow? Or which anti-discrimination laws? What about a manager insisting that the employee thirty years younger than them submit sexually to them? After all, it’s categorically more free if employees are offered the choice in all of these matters, right? And “freedom, necessitates, that the people are free” to “agree” to these arrangements. Except, of course, people who are faced with “do this or your children starve” are NOT free in any meaningful sense of the word.

by csomar 5y ago

Red_Leaves_Flyy 5y ago

I would be fine with a $0.00 minimum wage if, and only if, the employees are paid 100% off the value they create. Since this is impossible and would be gamed we must consider alternatives like minimum wages pegged to the real cost of living and forcing localities to address systemic issues in access to housing and other necessities.

Ekaros 5y ago
Also value is quite interesting question once we move out of pure software. Let's take a smartphone. What is the split in value between the coder of OS or some feature and the person who puts it together? Clearly the later should have much more value as without their work out side licensing the first work have zero value or even negative in spend resources. So shouldn't they really be paid larger share of smartphone price than the software developer.

alasdair_ 5y ago

> Freedom, necessitates, that people are free to chose how much they sell their labor for. Does it also necessitate which health and safety standards to follow? Or which anti-discrimination laws? What about a manager insisting that the employee thirty years younger than them submit sexually to them? After all, it’s categorically more free if employees are offered the choice in all of these matters, right? And “freedom, necessitates, that the people are free” to “agree” to these arrangements. Except, of course, people who are faced with “do this or your children starve” are NOT free in any meaningful sense of the word.