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One difference you might see is that the stories all have increased rewards for good behavior. Good behavior isn't something that's rewarded outside of childho

One difference you might see is that the stories all have increased rewards for good behavior. Good behavior isn't something that's rewarded outside of childhood, it's just expected to be your default as an adult. The comments above talk about punishment for bad behavior, which happens all day every day. Nobody cares about giving the candidate a 'fair shake' because if you know and trust someone enough to listen to their opinion then "hard pass" is all you need to hear. You've decided the taxi driver was savvy enough to make this call long before this specific incident.

moistly 4y ago
> Good behavior isn't something that's rewarded outside of childhood Not true! Yesterday I walked out of a Home Depot with an unpaid drill bit in my shirt pocket (my hands were full). I discovered my error when I reached the car. I went back to pay, and got a 20% discount for being honest!
- wfme 4y ago
  Except that you would have ended up with a much better price ($0) had you not let them know at all. I'm mostly joking, but if you ignore morals I don't think this is the most sound counterpoint.
  - moistly 4y ago
    But I don’t ignore morals, so your counterpoint is moot.
    - wfme 4y ago
      Hahah right except that in this case the reward is purely intrinsic for returning to pay, while leaving without anyone knowing results in an extrinsic reward ($). "Being rewarded" is generally considered extrinsic otherwise you could just not do some bad thing and claim the feeling of knowing you didn't do the bad thing is a great reward in itself.
      - moistly 4y ago
        Dunno why you are so determined to say that my good deed (not stealing) was not rewarded. Cashier explicitly stated “honesty should be rewarded” and knocked three or four bucks off the price. Those extra dollar bills in my wallet are very much extrinsic. Why are you being so damn weird about it?
        wfme 4y ago
        The parent you were responding to stated that people are not really rewarded for good behaviour after childhood. I'm not saying your deed was not a good one. I am saying that you are monetarily worse off for having gone back to pay and that feeling of having done the right thing, or the discount off the original price is hardly an example of good behaviour being rewarded, especially when you compare the reward for not doing the right thing. If there is only right and wrong and the reward for doing the wrong thing is greater than the reward for doing the right thing, then there really is no reward for doing the right thing.
        moistly 4y ago
        What a pathetically sad way to view the world.
        greyhair 4y ago
        This is why I never have conversations with philosophy majors at parties. You are crawling through that same morass of specific straw man arguments that drive me nuts.
        derefr 4y ago
        Those aren't "extra dollar bills in your wallet" any more than a tax refund is. You still paid, you just paid less. In the case where you didn't go back, you'd have had even more "extra dollar bills in your wallet." An (absolute, not relative) reward for good behavior — i.e. a positive-ROI outcome for doing the right thing, vs. not doing the right thing — would be, for example, if you came back and told them you didn't pay, and so they gave you the drill bit for free and also gave you a nickel. Any less and it'd just be "no reward, no punishment."
rowanG077 4y ago
Good behaviour is not rewarded? You and I must live in very different worlds then. Good behaviour is literally rewarded to me everyday. The time you help a colleague with a problem a few times leading to them vouching for you for another job. Going the extra mile for a work project allowing you more leeway in your planning out your hours. Making chitchat with the fast food worker that you get your sandwich from once a week leading him to give you a sandwich for free on your birthday. Of course it's not an instant reward like it is for children but good behavior is one of the things I can point to that led me to be in the position I am now.
- greyhair 4y ago
  You and me both. The last two thirds of my so far 38 (next month!) year career have been "call Doug, he knows this particular topic and he is a great team player". Most of those from people I never worked with, but they were asking friends for recommendations. So yeah, good behavior has fueled the two thirds of my career where I earned about eighty percent of my income.
- InfiniteRand 4y ago
  Years of good behavior has given me a very valuable reward. I have a mood disorder and anxiety issues, and while it is controlled by medication and therapy and coping techniques, etc. every now and then it does cause me problems. So occasionally I have a few weeks where my productivity drops significantly. But people in the company like me, because I have built a reputation as a helpful person, a hard worker, and a pleasant colleague. So I get the benefit of the doubt if I am having an off-week or two. So yeah, my experience lines up with yours.
noduerme 4y ago
There's tons of rewards for good behavior. Happens all the time. Some customer calls your boss and says "I just want to tell you, so-and-so was great to work with." And you get a raise. If it hasn't happened to you, you might not be very nice or good at your job.
raverbashing 4y ago
And I might add, bad behaviour is often encouraged in adulthood There are plenty of "asshole filters" around https://cafebedouin.org/2019/11/10/the-asshole-filter/ https://cafebedouin.org/2019/11/10/the-asshole-filter/

moistly 4y ago

> Good behavior isn't something that's rewarded outside of childhood Not true! Yesterday I walked out of a Home Depot with an unpaid drill bit in my shirt pocket (my hands were full). I discovered my error when I reached the car. I went back to pay, and got a 20% discount for being honest!

wfme 4y ago
Except that you would have ended up with a much better price ($0) had you not let them know at all. I'm mostly joking, but if you ignore morals I don't think this is the most sound counterpoint.
- moistly 4y ago
  But I don’t ignore morals, so your counterpoint is moot.
  - wfme 4y ago
    Hahah right except that in this case the reward is purely intrinsic for returning to pay, while leaving without anyone knowing results in an extrinsic reward ($). "Being rewarded" is generally considered extrinsic otherwise you could just not do some bad thing and claim the feeling of knowing you didn't do the bad thing is a great reward in itself.
    - moistly 4y ago
      Dunno why you are so determined to say that my good deed (not stealing) was not rewarded. Cashier explicitly stated “honesty should be rewarded” and knocked three or four bucks off the price. Those extra dollar bills in my wallet are very much extrinsic. Why are you being so damn weird about it?
      - wfme 4y ago
        The parent you were responding to stated that people are not really rewarded for good behaviour after childhood. I'm not saying your deed was not a good one. I am saying that you are monetarily worse off for having gone back to pay and that feeling of having done the right thing, or the discount off the original price is hardly an example of good behaviour being rewarded, especially when you compare the reward for not doing the right thing. If there is only right and wrong and the reward for doing the wrong thing is greater than the reward for doing the right thing, then there really is no reward for doing the right thing.
        moistly 4y ago
        What a pathetically sad way to view the world.
        greyhair 4y ago
        This is why I never have conversations with philosophy majors at parties. You are crawling through that same morass of specific straw man arguments that drive me nuts.
      - derefr 4y ago
        Those aren't "extra dollar bills in your wallet" any more than a tax refund is. You still paid, you just paid less. In the case where you didn't go back, you'd have had even more "extra dollar bills in your wallet." An (absolute, not relative) reward for good behavior — i.e. a positive-ROI outcome for doing the right thing, vs. not doing the right thing — would be, for example, if you came back and told them you didn't pay, and so they gave you the drill bit for free and also gave you a nickel. Any less and it'd just be "no reward, no punishment."

rowanG077 4y ago

Good behaviour is not rewarded? You and I must live in very different worlds then. Good behaviour is literally rewarded to me everyday. The time you help a colleague with a problem a few times leading to them vouching for you for another job. Going the extra mile for a work project allowing you more leeway in your planning out your hours. Making chitchat with the fast food worker that you get your sandwich from once a week leading him to give you a sandwich for free on your birthday. Of course it's not an instant reward like it is for children but good behavior is one of the things I can point to that led me to be in the position I am now.

greyhair 4y ago
You and me both. The last two thirds of my so far 38 (next month!) year career have been "call Doug, he knows this particular topic and he is a great team player". Most of those from people I never worked with, but they were asking friends for recommendations. So yeah, good behavior has fueled the two thirds of my career where I earned about eighty percent of my income.
InfiniteRand 4y ago
Years of good behavior has given me a very valuable reward. I have a mood disorder and anxiety issues, and while it is controlled by medication and therapy and coping techniques, etc. every now and then it does cause me problems. So occasionally I have a few weeks where my productivity drops significantly. But people in the company like me, because I have built a reputation as a helpful person, a hard worker, and a pleasant colleague. So I get the benefit of the doubt if I am having an off-week or two. So yeah, my experience lines up with yours.

noduerme 4y ago

There's tons of rewards for good behavior. Happens all the time. Some customer calls your boss and says "I just want to tell you, so-and-so was great to work with." And you get a raise. If it hasn't happened to you, you might not be very nice or good at your job.

raverbashing 4y ago

And I might add, bad behaviour is often encouraged in adulthood There are plenty of "asshole filters" around https://cafebedouin.org/2019/11/10/the-asshole-filter/ https://cafebedouin.org/2019/11/10/the-asshole-filter/