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christ we are in the dark ages again i need a google account to use gphone i need itunes to use iphone i have to buy apps from approved channels it favors t

christ we are in the dark ages again i need a google account to use gphone i need itunes to use iphone i have to buy apps from approved channels it favors the vendors apps no thanks wake me when i can buy a device that runs apps i choose, connects to the network i want. i realize this is a pipe dream. the wireless world is a world of shit i might as well look for the smallest flash-based linux notebook possible that runs skype and just hold it up to my ear old-skule style like gordon gecko and that giant cell phone from wall street

jcl 18y ago
FYI, Android Market apparently will have no review process -- anyone can list an application without approval. And you have heard about OpenMoko, right?
- nickb 18y ago
  FYI, Android Market apparently will have no review process -- anyone can list an application without approval. I wonder how long this will last. All you need is one malicious app and the party will be over. If not Google, then the carriers themselves will demand the locking up of the store... all in the name of security.
  - jcl 18y ago
    My understanding is that Android apps are sandboxed (a la Java or Flash applets) and need to request permissions for sensitive operations. This may help prevent obvious abuses and allow carriers to restrict problematic operations post-launch. And Blackberry, Windows Mobile, and Palm devices (and PCs) allow users to install arbitrary applications that they get off the internet, and their world has not collapsed yet. The Android Market might even be considered an improvement over these software ecosystems because it provides a de facto central location for flagging problem apps.
  - jonknee 18y ago
    Almost every phone on the market besides the iPhone can run an app without walled garden approval. I think it will be OK. I don't want my desktop apps being filtered any more than I want my mobile apps to be filtered.
    - pxlpshr 18y ago
      disagree because i've heard many reasons why apps are being declined outside of the complaints of nazi-ism that hit the wire. a number of apps have caused significant problems for iphone testers, and thus problems for Apple customer service (bottom line) on supporting user-created issues. It's easier to put a filter on it before hand... and scale up as the base software improves. AAPL is positioned to be a barrier from the headaches of open computing. And that's what I love about them.
      - jonknee 18y ago
        A filter for their store is not objectionable. My objection is that they require all apps to go through their store. It should be like Mac apps and anyone could make one (and distribute it), but not anyone gets listed on Apple's downloads page. If Apple or Microsoft tried to pull this shit on the desktop they would be massacred. I would stop using OS X immediately.
jmtulloss 18y ago
Palm just released the Treo Pro, which lets you run any WinMO app you want and connect to any GSM network you want. They have PalmOS and Windows Phones that connect to any network. I feel they do nothing but demonstrate why a tightly integrated solution is better than a highly flexible one.
nuclear_eclipse 18y ago
I have an Openmoko Neo FreeRunner: it has GPS, accelerometers, WiFi G, high resolution 640x480px touch screen, Micro SD card slot, good quality speakers/headphone jack, and good battery life; it works with any GSM carrier; it can run just about any operating system compiled for its ARM CPU; you can run and compile programs on it in any language supported by GCC or an ARM-compiled interpreter; it can connect to the internet via GPRS, WiFi, or USB with a PC, to update it's software, install software packages, accept/initiate SSH sessions; it allows software to run that uses any windowing toolkit, including Gtk, Qt, and E. It costs $399 direct from Openmoko and is available through multiple worldwide resellers ( http://openmoko.com/distributors.html http://openmoko.com/distributors.html ). Any questions?
- unalone 18y ago
  I'm not a fan of Openmoko, but you make a good point. There ARE options for people who want them. The cell phone market is more open now than it ever has been in the past.
- quasimojo 18y ago
  Any questions? yes. okay you have sold me on the hardware. can i get one, then contact a wireless vendor and get a service plan? or will they tell me that i have to use a authorized device? astoundingly i have never owned a cell phone
  - lallysingh 18y ago
    You can use any GSM provider you want. AT&T and T-Mobile work fine on it. You can also use a prepaid plan if you want.
  - nuclear_eclipse 18y ago
    I already have a standard cell plan with T-Mobile for my Razr, but when I got my Neo, I was able to walk into the local T-Mobile store and just pick up a prepaid SIM card plan for $15. You just tell them (or AT&T) that you already have a phone, and you just want the service plan, and they'll give it to you. T-Mobile offers both monthly contract-free and prepaid plans without the need to purchase a phone, so you should be perfectly fine.
wh 18y ago
We need someone like Linus Torvalds for mobile os.
- nuclear_eclipse 18y ago
  His name is Sean Moss-Pultz. http://moss-pultz.com/ http://moss-pultz.com/ Interview: http://www.fsckin.com/2008/01/20/interview-with-sean-moss-pultz-ceo-of-openmoko-ninjas-are-better-than-pirates/ http://www.fsckin.com/2008/01/20/interview-with-sean-moss-pu... His mission statement for Openmoko: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-June/000020.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-June/00002...

jcl 18y ago

FYI, Android Market apparently will have no review process -- anyone can list an application without approval. And you have heard about OpenMoko, right?

nickb 18y ago
FYI, Android Market apparently will have no review process -- anyone can list an application without approval. I wonder how long this will last. All you need is one malicious app and the party will be over. If not Google, then the carriers themselves will demand the locking up of the store... all in the name of security.
- jcl 18y ago
  My understanding is that Android apps are sandboxed (a la Java or Flash applets) and need to request permissions for sensitive operations. This may help prevent obvious abuses and allow carriers to restrict problematic operations post-launch. And Blackberry, Windows Mobile, and Palm devices (and PCs) allow users to install arbitrary applications that they get off the internet, and their world has not collapsed yet. The Android Market might even be considered an improvement over these software ecosystems because it provides a de facto central location for flagging problem apps.
- jonknee 18y ago
  Almost every phone on the market besides the iPhone can run an app without walled garden approval. I think it will be OK. I don't want my desktop apps being filtered any more than I want my mobile apps to be filtered.
  - pxlpshr 18y ago
    disagree because i've heard many reasons why apps are being declined outside of the complaints of nazi-ism that hit the wire. a number of apps have caused significant problems for iphone testers, and thus problems for Apple customer service (bottom line) on supporting user-created issues. It's easier to put a filter on it before hand... and scale up as the base software improves. AAPL is positioned to be a barrier from the headaches of open computing. And that's what I love about them.
    - jonknee 18y ago
      A filter for their store is not objectionable. My objection is that they require all apps to go through their store. It should be like Mac apps and anyone could make one (and distribute it), but not anyone gets listed on Apple's downloads page. If Apple or Microsoft tried to pull this shit on the desktop they would be massacred. I would stop using OS X immediately.

jmtulloss 18y ago

Palm just released the Treo Pro, which lets you run any WinMO app you want and connect to any GSM network you want. They have PalmOS and Windows Phones that connect to any network. I feel they do nothing but demonstrate why a tightly integrated solution is better than a highly flexible one.

nuclear_eclipse 18y ago

I have an Openmoko Neo FreeRunner: it has GPS, accelerometers, WiFi G, high resolution 640x480px touch screen, Micro SD card slot, good quality speakers/headphone jack, and good battery life; it works with any GSM carrier; it can run just about any operating system compiled for its ARM CPU; you can run and compile programs on it in any language supported by GCC or an ARM-compiled interpreter; it can connect to the internet via GPRS, WiFi, or USB with a PC, to update it's software, install software packages, accept/initiate SSH sessions; it allows software to run that uses any windowing toolkit, including Gtk, Qt, and E. It costs $399 direct from Openmoko and is available through multiple worldwide resellers ( http://openmoko.com/distributors.html http://openmoko.com/distributors.html ). Any questions?

unalone 18y ago
I'm not a fan of Openmoko, but you make a good point. There ARE options for people who want them. The cell phone market is more open now than it ever has been in the past.
quasimojo 18y ago
Any questions? yes. okay you have sold me on the hardware. can i get one, then contact a wireless vendor and get a service plan? or will they tell me that i have to use a authorized device? astoundingly i have never owned a cell phone
- lallysingh 18y ago
  You can use any GSM provider you want. AT&T and T-Mobile work fine on it. You can also use a prepaid plan if you want.
- nuclear_eclipse 18y ago
  I already have a standard cell plan with T-Mobile for my Razr, but when I got my Neo, I was able to walk into the local T-Mobile store and just pick up a prepaid SIM card plan for $15. You just tell them (or AT&T) that you already have a phone, and you just want the service plan, and they'll give it to you. T-Mobile offers both monthly contract-free and prepaid plans without the need to purchase a phone, so you should be perfectly fine.

wh 18y ago

We need someone like Linus Torvalds for mobile os.

nuclear_eclipse 18y ago
His name is Sean Moss-Pultz. http://moss-pultz.com/ http://moss-pultz.com/ Interview: http://www.fsckin.com/2008/01/20/interview-with-sean-moss-pultz-ceo-of-openmoko-ninjas-are-better-than-pirates/ http://www.fsckin.com/2008/01/20/interview-with-sean-moss-pu... His mission statement for Openmoko: http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-June/000020.html http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/announce/2008-June/00002...