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This models the leaker as unsophisticated/naive. It’s not clear to me that’s warranted given they were likely part of the Supreme Court staff. The actual effect

This models the leaker as unsophisticated/naive. It’s not clear to me that’s warranted given they were likely part of the Supreme Court staff. The actual effect of leaking this as opposed to waiting for it to be announced seems beneficial for supporters of the decision not detractors.

Terry_Roll 4y ago
The actions after the leak, like the barricades going up I think was more telling. The intelligence was good enough to prompt a knee jerk reaction to protect the building, yet the intelligence is not good enough to find the leaker. Something doesnt add up!
- nl 4y ago
  That makes no sense. Anyone can predict that this could prompt protests. It's a no-brainer to put up barricades.
- zerocrates 4y ago
  It doesn't take much intelligence, under any definition, to know that once this leaked there would be protests.
- 650REDHAIR 4y ago
  I read there were barricades before because the person lit themselves on fire recently.
- tick_tock_tick 4y ago
  > Something doesnt add up! Like your timeline. Please at-least get that right before you go spreading lies. The barricades got setup before this leak in response to the guy lighting himself on fire.
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gfodor 4y ago
It seems highly unlikely anyone who leaked this was part of the core of the institution of the Supreme Court. Selection bias kind of leads to an assumption that those who work for the court support the neutrality and processes of the court, and have much to lose from this action vs possibly marginal potential upside. Much more likely is this was either a low level or external actor imo.
- anothernewdude 4y ago
  > Selection bias kind of leads to an assumption that those who work for the court support the neutrality and processes of the court Certainly hasn't been true for those who make up the court. It's one of the least legitimate legal courts in the land.
  - formerkrogemp 4y ago
    > Certainly hasn't been true for those who make up the court. It's one of the least legitimate legal courts in the land. It certainly seems comprised of partisan hacks these days. I see no other way to describe the recent appointments prior to this year. They certainly weren't endorsed by the American Bar Association.
    - rayiner 4y ago
      They ABA doesn’t “endorse” any appointees. They rate them, and Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett all received ratings of “well qualified” which is the ABA’s highest rating. These three were completely obvious Republican picks a decade ago when I was in law school. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh were so-called “feeder” judges on the courts of appeals, meaning they were well regarded and sent many of their clerks to clerk on the Supreme Court. (Just like RBG and Breyer and Garland). And Barrett was a star law professor.
- LordDragonfang 4y ago
  >Selection bias kind of leads to an assumption that those who work for the court support the neutrality and processes of the court That may be true, but a key issue with this reasoning is that there has been an increasing opinion that the move to overturn Roe v Wade is an explicitly partisan affair precipitated by bad-faith manipulations of recent SC appointments from the conservative side.
grapeskin 4y ago
> This models the leaker as unsophisticated/naive. It’s not clear to me that’s warranted given they were likely part of the Supreme Court staff. One thing I’ve learned the past few years is that we’ve all greatly overestimated the people in governments. I’m not sure if it’s because of movies or what that influenced that. The reality is that people are, for the most part, as dumb as anyone else. It’s just that the people are generally more private (often because it’s legally compelled) so we don’t see all the mistakes as obviously as we do in other fields. America is also going through a wave of activism on all fronts, so being naive or unsophisticated isn’t really relevant to that.
8note 4y ago
What skills transfer from working at the supreme court transfer to effective leaking? I could see relevant skills to nursing at a nursing home?
dillondoyle 4y ago
Yup. The closer to the election this is announced the more impact it will have. We will surely get another wave but outrage goes away quick with short attention spans. What if this leak did not come from within? What about the possibility of a certain country with a history of hacking institutions and using that information to create division at key moments? Seems like an obvious play. I have no evidence of this and the simple answer is more likely. Was my initial thought though; Because working in politics myself, this doesn't seem optimal for either side imho.

Terry_Roll 4y ago

The actions after the leak, like the barricades going up I think was more telling. The intelligence was good enough to prompt a knee jerk reaction to protect the building, yet the intelligence is not good enough to find the leaker. Something doesnt add up!

nl 4y ago
That makes no sense. Anyone can predict that this could prompt protests. It's a no-brainer to put up barricades.
zerocrates 4y ago
It doesn't take much intelligence, under any definition, to know that once this leaked there would be protests.
650REDHAIR 4y ago
I read there were barricades before because the person lit themselves on fire recently.
tick_tock_tick 4y ago
> Something doesnt add up! Like your timeline. Please at-least get that right before you go spreading lies. The barricades got setup before this leak in response to the guy lighting himself on fire.

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gfodor 4y ago

It seems highly unlikely anyone who leaked this was part of the core of the institution of the Supreme Court. Selection bias kind of leads to an assumption that those who work for the court support the neutrality and processes of the court, and have much to lose from this action vs possibly marginal potential upside. Much more likely is this was either a low level or external actor imo.

anothernewdude 4y ago
> Selection bias kind of leads to an assumption that those who work for the court support the neutrality and processes of the court Certainly hasn't been true for those who make up the court. It's one of the least legitimate legal courts in the land.
- formerkrogemp 4y ago
  > Certainly hasn't been true for those who make up the court. It's one of the least legitimate legal courts in the land. It certainly seems comprised of partisan hacks these days. I see no other way to describe the recent appointments prior to this year. They certainly weren't endorsed by the American Bar Association.
  - rayiner 4y ago
    They ABA doesn’t “endorse” any appointees. They rate them, and Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, and Barrett all received ratings of “well qualified” which is the ABA’s highest rating. These three were completely obvious Republican picks a decade ago when I was in law school. Gorsuch and Kavanaugh were so-called “feeder” judges on the courts of appeals, meaning they were well regarded and sent many of their clerks to clerk on the Supreme Court. (Just like RBG and Breyer and Garland). And Barrett was a star law professor.
LordDragonfang 4y ago
>Selection bias kind of leads to an assumption that those who work for the court support the neutrality and processes of the court That may be true, but a key issue with this reasoning is that there has been an increasing opinion that the move to overturn Roe v Wade is an explicitly partisan affair precipitated by bad-faith manipulations of recent SC appointments from the conservative side.

grapeskin 4y ago

> This models the leaker as unsophisticated/naive. It’s not clear to me that’s warranted given they were likely part of the Supreme Court staff. One thing I’ve learned the past few years is that we’ve all greatly overestimated the people in governments. I’m not sure if it’s because of movies or what that influenced that. The reality is that people are, for the most part, as dumb as anyone else. It’s just that the people are generally more private (often because it’s legally compelled) so we don’t see all the mistakes as obviously as we do in other fields. America is also going through a wave of activism on all fronts, so being naive or unsophisticated isn’t really relevant to that.

8note 4y ago

What skills transfer from working at the supreme court transfer to effective leaking? I could see relevant skills to nursing at a nursing home?

dillondoyle 4y ago

Yup. The closer to the election this is announced the more impact it will have. We will surely get another wave but outrage goes away quick with short attention spans. What if this leak did not come from within? What about the possibility of a certain country with a history of hacking institutions and using that information to create division at key moments? Seems like an obvious play. I have no evidence of this and the simple answer is more likely. Was my initial thought though; Because working in politics myself, this doesn't seem optimal for either side imho.