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God I am sick of these apologetics every time someone expresses skepticism. > Get it wrong another way and you end up overwhelmed by traffic, unable to scale i

by tomc1985 4y ago

God I am sick of these apologetics every time someone expresses skepticism. > Get it wrong another way and you end up overwhelmed by traffic, unable to scale in response and forever fighting fires. To nitpick this specifically, over my 12-year career toiling over this stuff there has never been a scenario where this has required a radical rework to solve. Boring-ass B2B shit rarely requires that level of engineering and, at least in my case, the workloads were fairly predictable and increased in a linear fashion. The one time I did accidentally end of DDoSing ourselves, I temporarily stood up nginx instead of our aging Apache install and was able to serve enough requests to fix the problem. (We then transitioned our app to run in nginx) It was one fire, and it took a little bit of brainpower to fix. Then the DO droplets were humming along perfectly, and last I heard they continue to do so to this day. The operational aspects of this double-digit-millions-per-year business ran on a postgres database that compressed to 6gb. The next business I worked for did billions per year in business value and, until HQ mandated migrating everything to GCP, was humming along perfectly fine on Heroku for a monthly spend well under five digits. Ironically, I think they initially wanted us to be on-prem but couldn't support our stack and would have left all of that to our devops guys. GCP was the compromise (oof!).

w-j-w 4y ago
biorach 4y ago
> God I am sick of these apologetics every time someone expresses skepticism That's a highly obnoxious response to a measured and reasonable comment.
- tomc1985 4y ago
  Because it is repeating theme on these boards: someone expresses a nonconventional or old-school way of doing things, and someone else always jumps on with why overcomplicated cloud shit should be the solution to everything. Most businesses are never going to be a Netflix or a TikTok or whatever. Yet their businesspeople are absolutely infected with this mindset. And don't get me wrong, it is a disease and its primary symptoms are exactly what OP is complaining about. So instead of building practical, easy-to-maintain systems we cater to the dreams of excessively optimistic (can you even be anything else as management?) nontechnicals who think every idea is going to require the kind of scale and tooling that someone like Facebook has at their disposal. And they're backed up magpie engineers more fascinated with interesting than functional infrastructure. Ironically, that very tooling and scale ends up demanding even more resources which demands even more tooling to manage. What a virtuously (hah!) profitable phenomenon for the vendors of these tools. Good grief.
  - biorach 4y ago
    > and someone else always jumps on with why overcomplicated cloud shit should be the solution to everything. I didn't say anything like that. the opposite in fact. Next time try reading and understanding a comment before going off like an obnoxious jerk
    - tomc1985 4y ago
      You didn't say it, I did. Pot, meet kettle. This "obnoxious jerk" has an axe to grind.
      - biorach 4y ago
        well stop bloody venting on me. jerk
        tomc1985 4y ago
        What's with the name calling? Are we five years old? And you call me a jerk?
horns4lyfe 4y ago
Sounds like you’re a bit too emotionally wrapped up in this, there’s no reason to get so mad at other commenters with different experiences. Maybe take a walk. It also seems like your convinced that your experience can be generalized to the entire massive industry, which is a little presumptuous.

w-j-w 4y ago

biorach 4y ago

> God I am sick of these apologetics every time someone expresses skepticism That's a highly obnoxious response to a measured and reasonable comment.

tomc1985 4y ago
Because it is repeating theme on these boards: someone expresses a nonconventional or old-school way of doing things, and someone else always jumps on with why overcomplicated cloud shit should be the solution to everything. Most businesses are never going to be a Netflix or a TikTok or whatever. Yet their businesspeople are absolutely infected with this mindset. And don't get me wrong, it is a disease and its primary symptoms are exactly what OP is complaining about. So instead of building practical, easy-to-maintain systems we cater to the dreams of excessively optimistic (can you even be anything else as management?) nontechnicals who think every idea is going to require the kind of scale and tooling that someone like Facebook has at their disposal. And they're backed up magpie engineers more fascinated with interesting than functional infrastructure. Ironically, that very tooling and scale ends up demanding even more resources which demands even more tooling to manage. What a virtuously (hah!) profitable phenomenon for the vendors of these tools. Good grief.
- biorach 4y ago
  > and someone else always jumps on with why overcomplicated cloud shit should be the solution to everything. I didn't say anything like that. the opposite in fact. Next time try reading and understanding a comment before going off like an obnoxious jerk
  - tomc1985 4y ago
    You didn't say it, I did. Pot, meet kettle. This "obnoxious jerk" has an axe to grind.
    - biorach 4y ago
      well stop bloody venting on me. jerk
      - tomc1985 4y ago
        What's with the name calling? Are we five years old? And you call me a jerk?

horns4lyfe 4y ago

Sounds like you’re a bit too emotionally wrapped up in this, there’s no reason to get so mad at other commenters with different experiences. Maybe take a walk. It also seems like your convinced that your experience can be generalized to the entire massive industry, which is a little presumptuous.