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Indeed, 1Password is practically a utility at this point, as far as I'm concerned. I really like the direction they're heading and they're solving some pretty t

Indeed, 1Password is practically a utility at this point, as far as I'm concerned. I really like the direction they're heading and they're solving some pretty tricky problems without compromising on security, predominantly in the enterprise domain. The experience is the same regardless of whether you're an enterprise user or a personal or family user. It's polished enough that my grandma can use it.

alberth 5y ago
> I really like the direction [1Password] is heading I thought customers were complainingly loudly against their new direction of making 1Password an Electron app. Is that not the case? Note: I'm not a 1Password customer.
- throwaway894345 5y ago
  I heard some people complaining a bit for a moment when they made the transition, but that happens anytime anyone changes anything and doubly so when that change is Electron. But that faded quickly.
  - mmcclure 5y ago
    I...don't think it's faded. I could totally be wrong here, but I don't think they'd actually made a transition yet; the complaining you're talking about was over the 1Password 8 beta. That actually just went GA this week, and people were still upset. I get why they're doing it (or, at least, think I do), and I'm not angry enough to go get angry on Twitter, but I am going to avoid the upgrade for as long as I can. That's kind of a bummer to get there with a product you've historically really liked.
    - throwaway894345 5y ago
      Honestly I haven't noticed and I use 1Password on all of my devices every day. I heard some grumblings about 1Password changing to electron months ago and just assumed that they already made the transition. In whatever case, I haven't heard a peep until this thread. I don't like electron in theory and the industry should collectively come up with a solution that incentivizes app developers away from electron rather than hoping they swim against the current of incentive.
      - skoskie 5y ago
        You might double check which version you’re on. Might still be on v7. > the industry should collectively come up with a solution that incentivizes app developers away from electron rather than hoping they swim against the current of incentive. They have the financial resources to build it in ~Rust but still chose electron. It’s a mind boggling decision.
        throwaway894345 5y ago
        > They have the financial resources to build it in ~Rust but still chose electron. It’s a mind boggling decision. Respectfully, I think you may misunderstand the company’s mission.
- dimgl 5y ago
  I didn't even notice... 1Password is great. There are some minor issues here and there but it always feels like they very quickly patch it up.
- jchw 5y ago
  Modern 1password using Electron is sad in some respects, but hardly surprising. Even people who use Electron hate Electron. The real differentiating factor is those who understand why.
- sleepybrett 5y ago
  Removing the ability to use it in a non-saas (local vaults, vaults shared by other syncing solutions) capacity is what drove the final nail into the 1password coffin for me. I can't trust that they don't hold master keys to all the vaults on their saas offerings. The swap from native to electron on macos was hugely disappointing but something I could have probably lived with if they hadn't gone full saas no alternative.
  - SparkyMcUnicorn 5y ago
    > I can't trust that they don't hold master keys to all the vaults on their saas offerings. So you think they could be lying about their fundamental selling point, and hiding it in all of their audits? Personally, I'd trust them more than Apple/Google/etc. https://support.1password.com/1password-security/ https://support.1password.com/1password-security/ https://1passwordstatic.com/files/security/1password-white-paper.pdf https://1passwordstatic.com/files/security/1password-white-p... https://support.1password.com/security-assessments/ https://support.1password.com/security-assessments/
  - Groxx 4y ago
    Yep, ramming online vaults down everyone's throat is also what killed it for me. Since then I've gone from a massive supporter to recommending everyone look elsewhere. Their online security-related UX is also a freaking nightmare. The desktop and mobile apps are excellent and still clearly the best, but yikes, their password plus secret uuid plus device identity is awful. I know multiple people who permanently lost everything thanks to that (remember, no local backups any more! That's what cloud storage almost always guarantees!), and they now push others away too. I'm now a (relatively) happy KeePass user.
- davidwparker 5y ago
  Maybe technical customers who knew it were Electron. I knew, and don't really care. My wife doesn't even know what Electron is- everything is just another app to her.
- st3fan 5y ago
  > I thought customers were complainingly loudly against ... No, you confuse "customers" with a vocal minority.
- skinnymuch 5y ago
  A small vocal minority. The company’s two relatively recent fund raises are massive.
- pid-1 5y ago
  IMO it's still the best pw manager by a fair margin.
throwaway894345 5y ago
Fully agree. I'm a very happy 1Password customer, and I rarely praise software.
MrStonedOne 5y ago
1password took away the ability to have offline vaults, so i don't know how you can say they didn't compromised on security, since they cut off the most secure way you can store your vault chasing the solving of the tricky problem of monetizing a key value store.

alberth 5y ago

> I really like the direction [1Password] is heading I thought customers were complainingly loudly against their new direction of making 1Password an Electron app. Is that not the case? Note: I'm not a 1Password customer.

throwaway894345 5y ago
I heard some people complaining a bit for a moment when they made the transition, but that happens anytime anyone changes anything and doubly so when that change is Electron. But that faded quickly.
- mmcclure 5y ago
  I...don't think it's faded. I could totally be wrong here, but I don't think they'd actually made a transition yet; the complaining you're talking about was over the 1Password 8 beta. That actually just went GA this week, and people were still upset. I get why they're doing it (or, at least, think I do), and I'm not angry enough to go get angry on Twitter, but I am going to avoid the upgrade for as long as I can. That's kind of a bummer to get there with a product you've historically really liked.
  - throwaway894345 5y ago
    Honestly I haven't noticed and I use 1Password on all of my devices every day. I heard some grumblings about 1Password changing to electron months ago and just assumed that they already made the transition. In whatever case, I haven't heard a peep until this thread. I don't like electron in theory and the industry should collectively come up with a solution that incentivizes app developers away from electron rather than hoping they swim against the current of incentive.
    - skoskie 5y ago
      You might double check which version you’re on. Might still be on v7. > the industry should collectively come up with a solution that incentivizes app developers away from electron rather than hoping they swim against the current of incentive. They have the financial resources to build it in ~Rust but still chose electron. It’s a mind boggling decision.
      - throwaway894345 5y ago
        > They have the financial resources to build it in ~Rust but still chose electron. It’s a mind boggling decision. Respectfully, I think you may misunderstand the company’s mission.
dimgl 5y ago
I didn't even notice... 1Password is great. There are some minor issues here and there but it always feels like they very quickly patch it up.
jchw 5y ago
Modern 1password using Electron is sad in some respects, but hardly surprising. Even people who use Electron hate Electron. The real differentiating factor is those who understand why.
sleepybrett 5y ago
Removing the ability to use it in a non-saas (local vaults, vaults shared by other syncing solutions) capacity is what drove the final nail into the 1password coffin for me. I can't trust that they don't hold master keys to all the vaults on their saas offerings. The swap from native to electron on macos was hugely disappointing but something I could have probably lived with if they hadn't gone full saas no alternative.
- SparkyMcUnicorn 5y ago
  > I can't trust that they don't hold master keys to all the vaults on their saas offerings. So you think they could be lying about their fundamental selling point, and hiding it in all of their audits? Personally, I'd trust them more than Apple/Google/etc. https://support.1password.com/1password-security/ https://support.1password.com/1password-security/ https://1passwordstatic.com/files/security/1password-white-paper.pdf https://1passwordstatic.com/files/security/1password-white-p... https://support.1password.com/security-assessments/ https://support.1password.com/security-assessments/
- Groxx 4y ago
  Yep, ramming online vaults down everyone's throat is also what killed it for me. Since then I've gone from a massive supporter to recommending everyone look elsewhere. Their online security-related UX is also a freaking nightmare. The desktop and mobile apps are excellent and still clearly the best, but yikes, their password plus secret uuid plus device identity is awful. I know multiple people who permanently lost everything thanks to that (remember, no local backups any more! That's what cloud storage almost always guarantees!), and they now push others away too. I'm now a (relatively) happy KeePass user.
davidwparker 5y ago
Maybe technical customers who knew it were Electron. I knew, and don't really care. My wife doesn't even know what Electron is- everything is just another app to her.
st3fan 5y ago
> I thought customers were complainingly loudly against ... No, you confuse "customers" with a vocal minority.
skinnymuch 5y ago
A small vocal minority. The company’s two relatively recent fund raises are massive.
pid-1 5y ago
IMO it's still the best pw manager by a fair margin.

throwaway894345 5y ago

Fully agree. I'm a very happy 1Password customer, and I rarely praise software.

MrStonedOne 5y ago

1password took away the ability to have offline vaults, so i don't know how you can say they didn't compromised on security, since they cut off the most secure way you can store your vault chasing the solving of the tricky problem of monetizing a key value store.