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It can be reduced to ~3-4 weeks from first contact to offer if you are in a rush. It's as easy as saying like "I just got an offer from $competitor". The proc

It can be reduced to ~3-4 weeks from first contact to offer if you are in a rush. It's as easy as saying like "I just got an offer from $competitor". The process may take months because candidates usually ask for time to prepare, and some latency once the offer is accepted (background check, etc). If you are actively looking for a job, you are most likely already prepared.

kortilla 4y ago
> It can be reduced to ~3-4 weeks from first contact to offer if you are in a rush. That’s still terrible by industry standards. We lost many candidates because they did have competing offers and couldn’t sit on them for a month while the hiring committee waited until the next blood moon to gather.
- martius 4y ago
  Is it really? I'm sure there are plenty of candidates giving up because they received a competing offer and wouldn't wait, but I think it's reasonable to expect a hiring process to take a month, even in small companies. Edit: I also have anecdotal evidence of cases where an offer would be made withing 2-3 business days after the interviews at both Google a Facebook.
  - hrpnk 4y ago
    I think it all depends on the candidate's motivation to join a particular company. Candidates are more inclined to wait for offers from tier-1 companies (e.g. FAANG) but will have less patience for lower tier companies.
    - kortilla 4y ago
      Google is way worse than the rest of FAANG though. The Facebook recruiters would explicitly warn you that if you wanted to wait for a Google offer to not even start with Facebook until you passed the interviews and were waiting on team matching.
  - zeroonetwothree 4y ago
    A month is really slow. When I last interviewed every place gave me an offer within a week, and they would informally tell me I was getting one usually within 24 hours.
  - kortilla 4y ago
    >Is it really? Yes. It’s fucking terrible. That pace isn’t acceptable for things with significantly more at stake (buying a house, getting married, donating an organ). Google just abused its position as a desirable place to work while I was there to take time to hire candidates.
- hrpnk 4y ago
  Even a weekly hiring committee will eventually prove to be too slow, because there will be competitors making hiring decisions within 2 business days or just after the interview.
  - singron 4y ago
    Onsite to offer is just one part. The process starts earlier and ends later. Even a startup with 2 day onsite to offer can have a 3-4 week process. Recruiter chat, recruiter screen, tech screen, take home, onsite, references, meet and greets, offer, waiting for other offers, negotiating offers, acceptance, and then finally waiting for the 2 weeks and the start date. Do you want to optimize to hire people who accept whatever offer comes first? Isn't it worth waiting a couple weeks to get the right job that you will spend the next few years of your life at?

kortilla 4y ago

> It can be reduced to ~3-4 weeks from first contact to offer if you are in a rush. That’s still terrible by industry standards. We lost many candidates because they did have competing offers and couldn’t sit on them for a month while the hiring committee waited until the next blood moon to gather.

martius 4y ago
Is it really? I'm sure there are plenty of candidates giving up because they received a competing offer and wouldn't wait, but I think it's reasonable to expect a hiring process to take a month, even in small companies. Edit: I also have anecdotal evidence of cases where an offer would be made withing 2-3 business days after the interviews at both Google a Facebook.
- hrpnk 4y ago
  I think it all depends on the candidate's motivation to join a particular company. Candidates are more inclined to wait for offers from tier-1 companies (e.g. FAANG) but will have less patience for lower tier companies.
  - kortilla 4y ago
    Google is way worse than the rest of FAANG though. The Facebook recruiters would explicitly warn you that if you wanted to wait for a Google offer to not even start with Facebook until you passed the interviews and were waiting on team matching.
- zeroonetwothree 4y ago
  A month is really slow. When I last interviewed every place gave me an offer within a week, and they would informally tell me I was getting one usually within 24 hours.
- kortilla 4y ago
  >Is it really? Yes. It’s fucking terrible. That pace isn’t acceptable for things with significantly more at stake (buying a house, getting married, donating an organ). Google just abused its position as a desirable place to work while I was there to take time to hire candidates.
hrpnk 4y ago
Even a weekly hiring committee will eventually prove to be too slow, because there will be competitors making hiring decisions within 2 business days or just after the interview.
- singron 4y ago
  Onsite to offer is just one part. The process starts earlier and ends later. Even a startup with 2 day onsite to offer can have a 3-4 week process. Recruiter chat, recruiter screen, tech screen, take home, onsite, references, meet and greets, offer, waiting for other offers, negotiating offers, acceptance, and then finally waiting for the 2 weeks and the start date. Do you want to optimize to hire people who accept whatever offer comes first? Isn't it worth waiting a couple weeks to get the right job that you will spend the next few years of your life at?