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Over 70% of all Porsche vehicles ever built are still on the road today

53 points by Maro 4y ago

theandrewbailey 4y ago
TLDR: most Porsches were made in the last 25 years.
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- brianwawok 4y ago
  Right. Tesla would be like 95% of Rivian like 99%, basically just taking out totaled cars..
  - Maro 4y ago
    You guys are right, but also, if the mean lifetime of Porsche cars would be eg. 10 years, then the advertised metric would have to be 52%, given the historic production curve. This was just a spiel to reverse engineer the mean lifetime given this marketing number. (And yes, there are lots of caveats...) avg_lifetime -> on_the_road_ratio (given historic production curve) 10 -> 0.519 11 -> 0.545 12 -> 0.567 13 -> 0.585 14 -> 0.603 15 -> 0.625 16 -> 0.647 17 -> 0.668 18 -> 0.688 19 -> 0.705 20 -> 0.720 21 -> 0.733 22 -> 0.745 23 -> 0.756 24 -> 0.766
acd 4y ago
That is eco friendly if you consider the co2 emission of making the car.
- dt123 4y ago
  also the fact they get left in a garage and never get driven - the carbon footprint per mile isn't looking too great though in that case!
mywittyname 4y ago
> modern Porsches have a 15-20 year average lifespan Probably because the Macan and Cayenne are not 20 years old yet. There's a huge functional difference between something like a 911/Cayman and a Macan. While a 911 could be a daily driver for some people, practically speaking, they aren't. They are largely garage kept, driven infrequently during inclement weather, and are well taken care of because many people view them as "dream" cars. Even expensive engine out services are viable on 20+ year old 911s because someone is willing to pay $20k to have it fixed so they can have a "cheap" 911. A Macan is a nice car, but it's still a warmed over VW crossover. People drive them like regular cars. They will get in accidents during evening commutes. They will see snow, salt, pot holes, etc. They will be driven 12-15k miles a year, versus the 1-2k of a 911. And these things will still be pricey to fix. These will age like BMW X-series: kept for short lease terms by the original owner, for the duration of the extended warranty by the second, then be recycled at buy-here-pay-here lots until an expensive repair sidelines them permanently.
- animal531 4y ago
  I agree. I had a look at the local market, most recent 718 and 911's have quite low distances traveled for their year models and their resale value is quite good.
karmakaze 4y ago
Out of curiosity I googled around for the longest lasting cars[0]. The bottom line is a combination of the manufactured reliability of the car and the maintenance behaviour of their owners. > Which Car Brands Last the Longest? > Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, Acura, Lexus, and Ford all have long-term reliability. Certain vehicles are known to outlast others, however, each brand offers consistent reliability and longevity. What Is the Longest-Lasting Vehicle On the Road? > A 1968 Volvo P1800 is considered to be the longest-lasting vehicle on the road with over 4 million miles across its odometer. There are also a great many million-mile cars, including a Lexus, a Nissan Frontier, and a number of others. > According to one study, however, Toyota’s Sequoia SUV is more likely than any other vehicle on the road to eclipse 200,000 miles. What Cars Will Last 300,000 Miles? > According to iSeeCars’ study on longest-lasting cars, Toyota’s indomitable Land Cruiser tops the list of cars more than likely to hit over 300,000 miles. However, it doesn’t say whether that’s the old generation used by many countries’ militaries, as well as the United Nations, or if it’s the newer, more pedestrian-oriented model. What’s the World’s Most Reliable Car? > The one you take care of. Just kidding, but not really. As mentioned above, how you take care of your car factors into its reliability. In an official capacity, J.D. Power names the Lexus ES, which shares underpinnings with Toyota’s Avalon, as the world’s most reliable car. [0] https://www.thedrive.com/cars-101/36055/longest-lasting-cars https://www.thedrive.com/cars-101/36055/longest-lasting-cars
throwaway0a5e 4y ago
Of course rich people toys stick around. They don't get beat on and the owners can afford to keep them from degrading to the point where the only next buyer is a junkyard. This shouldn't surprise anybody.
btian 4y ago
That's an interesting way to say Porsche didn't make many cars before Cayenne and Macan.
ncmncm 4y ago
Plus lots and lots of '50s models that were never built. Apparently it is a growth industry making fake '50s Porsches (and other "classic" cars) out of steel obtained from disused railroad beds, smelted before the steel all had traces of atomic-bomb fallout in it. I gather they actually cut the car literally down the middle and build up the other half, turning one car into two. (I doubt they cut the engine, but could be wrong!) And there is a profession now inspecting classic cars for authenticity that starts or ends with isotope analysis. If I didn't know better, I would think the whole story was a hoax, because how could it even be possible? But apparently it is.
cafard 4y ago
Is the car mentioned in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30878489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30878489 on the road or not?
more_corn 4y ago
Not the modern ones. I’ve got a 99 Boxster with a bad tranny. Shop called me three hours ago with a quote of $8600. It’s too complicated to fix myself and expensive to pay someone else to fix. I’ll probably part it out.
- segmondy 4y ago
  if you can part it out, you can fix it. It's all nuts and bolts.
  - harrydehal 4y ago
    Agreed. OP check out https://www.car-part.com https://www.car-part.com or a local junkyard or Porsche club near you for used/spare transmissions.
cleansingfire 4y ago
Luxury good are treated differently than utility goods. Nicely described by Peter Egan. https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29022/side-glances-why-do-we-sell-our-cars-peter-egan/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29022/side-glances...

53 points by Maro 4y ago

theandrewbailey 4y ago

TLDR: most Porsches were made in the last 25 years.

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brianwawok 4y ago
Right. Tesla would be like 95% of Rivian like 99%, basically just taking out totaled cars..
- Maro 4y ago
  You guys are right, but also, if the mean lifetime of Porsche cars would be eg. 10 years, then the advertised metric would have to be 52%, given the historic production curve. This was just a spiel to reverse engineer the mean lifetime given this marketing number. (And yes, there are lots of caveats...) avg_lifetime -> on_the_road_ratio (given historic production curve) 10 -> 0.519 11 -> 0.545 12 -> 0.567 13 -> 0.585 14 -> 0.603 15 -> 0.625 16 -> 0.647 17 -> 0.668 18 -> 0.688 19 -> 0.705 20 -> 0.720 21 -> 0.733 22 -> 0.745 23 -> 0.756 24 -> 0.766

acd 4y ago

That is eco friendly if you consider the co2 emission of making the car.

dt123 4y ago
also the fact they get left in a garage and never get driven - the carbon footprint per mile isn't looking too great though in that case!

mywittyname 4y ago

> modern Porsches have a 15-20 year average lifespan Probably because the Macan and Cayenne are not 20 years old yet. There's a huge functional difference between something like a 911/Cayman and a Macan. While a 911 could be a daily driver for some people, practically speaking, they aren't. They are largely garage kept, driven infrequently during inclement weather, and are well taken care of because many people view them as "dream" cars. Even expensive engine out services are viable on 20+ year old 911s because someone is willing to pay $20k to have it fixed so they can have a "cheap" 911. A Macan is a nice car, but it's still a warmed over VW crossover. People drive them like regular cars. They will get in accidents during evening commutes. They will see snow, salt, pot holes, etc. They will be driven 12-15k miles a year, versus the 1-2k of a 911. And these things will still be pricey to fix. These will age like BMW X-series: kept for short lease terms by the original owner, for the duration of the extended warranty by the second, then be recycled at buy-here-pay-here lots until an expensive repair sidelines them permanently.

animal531 4y ago
I agree. I had a look at the local market, most recent 718 and 911's have quite low distances traveled for their year models and their resale value is quite good.

karmakaze 4y ago

Out of curiosity I googled around for the longest lasting cars[0]. The bottom line is a combination of the manufactured reliability of the car and the maintenance behaviour of their owners. > Which Car Brands Last the Longest? > Honda, Toyota, Hyundai, Kia, Acura, Lexus, and Ford all have long-term reliability. Certain vehicles are known to outlast others, however, each brand offers consistent reliability and longevity. What Is the Longest-Lasting Vehicle On the Road? > A 1968 Volvo P1800 is considered to be the longest-lasting vehicle on the road with over 4 million miles across its odometer. There are also a great many million-mile cars, including a Lexus, a Nissan Frontier, and a number of others. > According to one study, however, Toyota’s Sequoia SUV is more likely than any other vehicle on the road to eclipse 200,000 miles. What Cars Will Last 300,000 Miles? > According to iSeeCars’ study on longest-lasting cars, Toyota’s indomitable Land Cruiser tops the list of cars more than likely to hit over 300,000 miles. However, it doesn’t say whether that’s the old generation used by many countries’ militaries, as well as the United Nations, or if it’s the newer, more pedestrian-oriented model. What’s the World’s Most Reliable Car? > The one you take care of. Just kidding, but not really. As mentioned above, how you take care of your car factors into its reliability. In an official capacity, J.D. Power names the Lexus ES, which shares underpinnings with Toyota’s Avalon, as the world’s most reliable car. [0] https://www.thedrive.com/cars-101/36055/longest-lasting-cars https://www.thedrive.com/cars-101/36055/longest-lasting-cars

throwaway0a5e 4y ago

Of course rich people toys stick around. They don't get beat on and the owners can afford to keep them from degrading to the point where the only next buyer is a junkyard. This shouldn't surprise anybody.

btian 4y ago

That's an interesting way to say Porsche didn't make many cars before Cayenne and Macan.

ncmncm 4y ago

Plus lots and lots of '50s models that were never built. Apparently it is a growth industry making fake '50s Porsches (and other "classic" cars) out of steel obtained from disused railroad beds, smelted before the steel all had traces of atomic-bomb fallout in it. I gather they actually cut the car literally down the middle and build up the other half, turning one car into two. (I doubt they cut the engine, but could be wrong!) And there is a profession now inspecting classic cars for authenticity that starts or ends with isotope analysis. If I didn't know better, I would think the whole story was a hoax, because how could it even be possible? But apparently it is.

cafard 4y ago

Is the car mentioned in https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30878489 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=30878489 on the road or not?

more_corn 4y ago

Not the modern ones. I’ve got a 99 Boxster with a bad tranny. Shop called me three hours ago with a quote of $8600. It’s too complicated to fix myself and expensive to pay someone else to fix. I’ll probably part it out.

segmondy 4y ago
if you can part it out, you can fix it. It's all nuts and bolts.
- harrydehal 4y ago
  Agreed. OP check out https://www.car-part.com https://www.car-part.com or a local junkyard or Porsche club near you for used/spare transmissions.

cleansingfire 4y ago

Luxury good are treated differently than utility goods. Nicely described by Peter Egan. https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29022/side-glances-why-do-we-sell-our-cars-peter-egan/ https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/a29022/side-glances...