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That may be, but now you’ve changed your argument from an obviously ridiculous claim such as “we practically lost our right to vote” to the vastly less fatalist

That may be, but now you’ve changed your argument from an obviously ridiculous claim such as “we practically lost our right to vote” to the vastly less fatalistic (and much more accurate) “the system advantages the incumbent”. That’s fine, and I agree it’s an issue, but maybe tone it down a bit for next time. I’m used to this tone from Hungarians both online and in real life, but I’d rather not allow such false impressions to seep into the wider discourse. There’s enough “Poles and Hungarians bad” narratives going around without us having to add fuel to the fire.

xiphias2 4y ago
I don't see any difference. When the same person is leading for 16 years from millions of eligible people, it's not because of his ability, but because of how he took away voting rights in practice. My prediction is that the ,,voted'' PM of Hungary will be the same in 4 years. If you are right, it will probably change.
- leadingthenet 4y ago
  You're a master at talking past people, which is remarkably similar to this Orbán person you seem to dislike so much, now that I think about it. I genuinely can't tell if you're just arguing dishonestly, or if you're so wrapped in your little tribal bubble you can't even imagine some nuance being added to the discussion. In either case, I'm out. > If you are right, it will probably change. I literally never made that argument.
mrtranscendence 4y ago
> There’s enough “Poles and Hungarians bad” narratives going around without us having to add fuel to the fire. I mean, you did vote in Orbán, a demonstrably terrible human being, for many years running. It’s hardly a better look for the citizens of Hungary if that wasn’t due to disenfranchisement.
- leadingthenet 4y ago
  Who says I voted Orbán? I'm pretty sure I never mentioned such a thing. The level of discourse some of you engage in is pathetic, this is honestly /r/politics levels of gaslighting.
  - panqueque 4y ago
    Assuming you're aware of the plural "you", you (singular) is doing the gaslighting here.
    - leadingthenet 4y ago
      You're right, I completely misread that comment. My bad.

xiphias2 4y ago

I don't see any difference. When the same person is leading for 16 years from millions of eligible people, it's not because of his ability, but because of how he took away voting rights in practice. My prediction is that the ,,voted'' PM of Hungary will be the same in 4 years. If you are right, it will probably change.

leadingthenet 4y ago
You're a master at talking past people, which is remarkably similar to this Orbán person you seem to dislike so much, now that I think about it. I genuinely can't tell if you're just arguing dishonestly, or if you're so wrapped in your little tribal bubble you can't even imagine some nuance being added to the discussion. In either case, I'm out. > If you are right, it will probably change. I literally never made that argument.

mrtranscendence 4y ago

> There’s enough “Poles and Hungarians bad” narratives going around without us having to add fuel to the fire. I mean, you did vote in Orbán, a demonstrably terrible human being, for many years running. It’s hardly a better look for the citizens of Hungary if that wasn’t due to disenfranchisement.

leadingthenet 4y ago
Who says I voted Orbán? I'm pretty sure I never mentioned such a thing. The level of discourse some of you engage in is pathetic, this is honestly /r/politics levels of gaslighting.
- panqueque 4y ago
  Assuming you're aware of the plural "you", you (singular) is doing the gaslighting here.
  - leadingthenet 4y ago
    You're right, I completely misread that comment. My bad.