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If only any of them were even slightly competitive.

by ryanSrich 4y ago

shaunrussell 4y ago
fly.io feature set and dx is great
- danjac 4y ago
  fly.io looks OK feature-wise, but requires a credit card to do anything and there's no indication of how you can accidently exceed the free tier. That's a dealbreaker for me - I want to evaluate some PAAS offerings for a company, but it's a hassle to get authorization to use a company credit card, especially when I just want to kick the tyres. Heroku, Render, Railway and most others let you at least run a toy app without needing a credit card, fly.io is doing themselves a disservice here.
  - aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
    Or they're separating themselves with their value proposition.
    - danjac 4y ago
      Maybe, but still it means I'll just pass on fly.io and go with render. Their feature set is not that compelling that I'll want to jump through hoops to get company authorization or have to deal with expenses to use my own card.
dimgl 4y ago
How are they not competitive?
- ryanSrich 4y ago
  They either always have some critical piece of functionality missing, or require much more configuration and hand holding than Heroku does. That's not to say they aren't useful, but for serious businesses it's hard to migrate without assuming you'll need a DevOps person to run it. Heroku on the other hand is so hands off, that you really don't need anyone specifically to manage it. We spend about $1,000/month for Heroku managing a SaaS app with 40,000 users and I have never had to tweak or configure Heroku beyond initial setup and then just scaling, which is literally just clicking a button.
  - dimgl 4y ago
    I think you're seriously underestimating Heroku's competition here.
    - ryanSrich 4y ago
      I'd actually love to be proven wrong here. I don't want to stay on Heroku, but I also don't see other viable options. My requirements are such that I cannot have a dedicated Cloud Engineer or DevOps person, and in reality, I want to spend 0 hours per week thinking about my cloud infrastructure. Heroku allows me to do that.

If only any of them were even slightly competitive.

shaunrussell 4y ago

fly.io feature set and dx is great

danjac 4y ago
fly.io looks OK feature-wise, but requires a credit card to do anything and there's no indication of how you can accidently exceed the free tier. That's a dealbreaker for me - I want to evaluate some PAAS offerings for a company, but it's a hassle to get authorization to use a company credit card, especially when I just want to kick the tyres. Heroku, Render, Railway and most others let you at least run a toy app without needing a credit card, fly.io is doing themselves a disservice here.
- aaaaaaaaata 4y ago
  Or they're separating themselves with their value proposition.
  - danjac 4y ago
    Maybe, but still it means I'll just pass on fly.io and go with render. Their feature set is not that compelling that I'll want to jump through hoops to get company authorization or have to deal with expenses to use my own card.

dimgl 4y ago

How are they not competitive?

ryanSrich 4y ago
They either always have some critical piece of functionality missing, or require much more configuration and hand holding than Heroku does. That's not to say they aren't useful, but for serious businesses it's hard to migrate without assuming you'll need a DevOps person to run it. Heroku on the other hand is so hands off, that you really don't need anyone specifically to manage it. We spend about $1,000/month for Heroku managing a SaaS app with 40,000 users and I have never had to tweak or configure Heroku beyond initial setup and then just scaling, which is literally just clicking a button.
- dimgl 4y ago
  I think you're seriously underestimating Heroku's competition here.
  - ryanSrich 4y ago
    I'd actually love to be proven wrong here. I don't want to stay on Heroku, but I also don't see other viable options. My requirements are such that I cannot have a dedicated Cloud Engineer or DevOps person, and in reality, I want to spend 0 hours per week thinking about my cloud infrastructure. Heroku allows me to do that.