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And you're so certain, perhaps even arrogant even, that you're belief in "science" isn't a "religious" ideological relationship?

by loceng 4y ago

brewdad 4y ago
You're on a message board dedicated to tech and you don't believe in the scientific method? GTFO.
- pstuart 4y ago
  Thanks for having my back. I'd buy you a beer if you were near.
- WaxedChewbacca 4y ago
pstuart 4y ago
The word "belief" gets mangled intentionally in the case above. "Belief" as in "understand" versus "hold to be true regardless or questioning" are very different things. I'm humble enough to know that I don't know everything and can be wrong. And if I'm wrong I'm willing to learn anew. For example, I was raised on the concept that dietary fat was bad (margarine was healthier than butter) and we now know this is not the case. I'm not a trained immunologist like you, so I can only work with the basic knowledge that the immune system "learns" the chemical fingerprint of attackers and that vaccines mimic that to train the immune system. If I'm wrong I'd love to learn what is correct. Can you say the same for yourself? Is the arrogance you sense coming from you?
- loceng 4y ago
  You're so close to seeing the deeper complexity. > For example, I was raised on the concept that dietary fat was bad (margarine was healthier than butter) and we now know this is not the case. Do you know who perpetuated that lie, that dietary fat was bad? Instead of waiting for you to guess, I'll tell you: it was a for-profit industrial complex who wanted to make money. The pharmaceutical industry is also a for-profit industry, so now that you realize you were tricked about dietary fat - do you presume that the pharmaceutical industry wouldn't do the same? You have really interesting deflection tactics, I must say, and the put-down attempts are quite subtle compared to most people. And you're not honest about how a person learns information: you claim you can only work with basic knowledge of the immune system, putting forward that again as a strawman - an argument I never made for you to needd to counter - probably because you weren't able to actually argue against any points I actually made, so you needed the strawman as filler to make it look like you could defend your position. Here, watch these videos, and then we can actually focus on argument points you disagree with - you'll have to find evidence/sources to refute the specifics to what these highly credentialed and experienced doctors and experts say though, and not just smear campaign articles on them: Here's a 38 minute summary video of a longer 5+ hour video of testimony of experts: https://rumble.com/vtamrn-covid-19-a-second-opinion-shorter-highlight-video.html https://rumble.com/vtamrn-covid-19-a-second-opinion-shorter-... Here's the full 5+ hour video of testimony: https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html - "COVID-19: A Second Opinion" (discussion from experts begins around 40 minute mark) I'm curious too, are you familiar with Noam Chomsky's Manufactured Consent book - more so the mechanisms of how you can manipulate a population to being okay with the government taking certain actions?

And you're so certain, perhaps even arrogant even, that you're belief in "science" isn't a "religious" ideological relationship?

by loceng 4y ago

And you're so certain, perhaps even arrogant even, that you're belief in "science" isn't a "religious" ideological relationship?

brewdad 4y ago

You're on a message board dedicated to tech and you don't believe in the scientific method? GTFO.

pstuart 4y ago
Thanks for having my back. I'd buy you a beer if you were near.
WaxedChewbacca 4y ago

pstuart 4y ago

The word "belief" gets mangled intentionally in the case above. "Belief" as in "understand" versus "hold to be true regardless or questioning" are very different things. I'm humble enough to know that I don't know everything and can be wrong. And if I'm wrong I'm willing to learn anew. For example, I was raised on the concept that dietary fat was bad (margarine was healthier than butter) and we now know this is not the case. I'm not a trained immunologist like you, so I can only work with the basic knowledge that the immune system "learns" the chemical fingerprint of attackers and that vaccines mimic that to train the immune system. If I'm wrong I'd love to learn what is correct. Can you say the same for yourself? Is the arrogance you sense coming from you?

loceng 4y ago
You're so close to seeing the deeper complexity. > For example, I was raised on the concept that dietary fat was bad (margarine was healthier than butter) and we now know this is not the case. Do you know who perpetuated that lie, that dietary fat was bad? Instead of waiting for you to guess, I'll tell you: it was a for-profit industrial complex who wanted to make money. The pharmaceutical industry is also a for-profit industry, so now that you realize you were tricked about dietary fat - do you presume that the pharmaceutical industry wouldn't do the same? You have really interesting deflection tactics, I must say, and the put-down attempts are quite subtle compared to most people. And you're not honest about how a person learns information: you claim you can only work with basic knowledge of the immune system, putting forward that again as a strawman - an argument I never made for you to needd to counter - probably because you weren't able to actually argue against any points I actually made, so you needed the strawman as filler to make it look like you could defend your position. Here, watch these videos, and then we can actually focus on argument points you disagree with - you'll have to find evidence/sources to refute the specifics to what these highly credentialed and experienced doctors and experts say though, and not just smear campaign articles on them: Here's a 38 minute summary video of a longer 5+ hour video of testimony of experts: https://rumble.com/vtamrn-covid-19-a-second-opinion-shorter-highlight-video.html https://rumble.com/vtamrn-covid-19-a-second-opinion-shorter-... Here's the full 5+ hour video of testimony: https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html https://rumble.com/vt62y6-covid-19-a-second-opinion.html - "COVID-19: A Second Opinion" (discussion from experts begins around 40 minute mark) I'm curious too, are you familiar with Noam Chomsky's Manufactured Consent book - more so the mechanisms of how you can manipulate a population to being okay with the government taking certain actions?