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I don't, but you have the right for the body of your son. Imagine you travel on an airplane, and the owner of the airplane drops of you off on the middle of th

I don't, but you have the right for the body of your son. Imagine you travel on an airplane, and the owner of the airplane drops of you off on the middle of the trip just because it's his property. That's your view.

webmaven 4y ago
> Imagine you travel on an airplane, and the owner of the airplane drops of you off on the middle of the trip just because it's his property. That's your view. Your analogy (well, metaphor, really) is flawed, on multiple levels. First, I as a traveler presumably have agency, probably paid for the privilege, and you agreed in advance to transport me. It is undisputed that I am a fully realized human being with all attendant rights, such as they are. But even the ways in which your metaphor is not flawed don't support your point of view. My presence aboard, having been agreed to ahead of time, is assumed not to pose any costs, danger, difficulty, or hardship that isn't accounted for by the ticket I bought, but most importantly, if ANY of that changes the owner (or rather, operator) of the aircraft absolutely DOES have the right and even obligation to put me off the plane at the earliest opportunity (including making an unscheduled stop for that purpose), for offenses as mild as simply being somewhat unpleasant toward the other passengers or crew, much less acting in a way that may actually be threatening or frightening. As a passenger, transportation is a privilege, not a right, and said privilege can be revoked at any time, despite having been paid for in advance. Also, in case you never paid any attention to the legalities of purchasing a ticket for air travel, despite having taken your money, the airline really isn't obligated to do more than make a best effort attempt to get you (and/or your luggage) to your destination. Their best effort doesn't even have to be particularly good or effective, which is how and why people end up stranded or stuck with little to no reason or recourse.

webmaven 4y ago

> Imagine you travel on an airplane, and the owner of the airplane drops of you off on the middle of the trip just because it's his property. That's your view. Your analogy (well, metaphor, really) is flawed, on multiple levels. First, I as a traveler presumably have agency, probably paid for the privilege, and you agreed in advance to transport me. It is undisputed that I am a fully realized human being with all attendant rights, such as they are. But even the ways in which your metaphor is not flawed don't support your point of view. My presence aboard, having been agreed to ahead of time, is assumed not to pose any costs, danger, difficulty, or hardship that isn't accounted for by the ticket I bought, but most importantly, if ANY of that changes the owner (or rather, operator) of the aircraft absolutely DOES have the right and even obligation to put me off the plane at the earliest opportunity (including making an unscheduled stop for that purpose), for offenses as mild as simply being somewhat unpleasant toward the other passengers or crew, much less acting in a way that may actually be threatening or frightening. As a passenger, transportation is a privilege, not a right, and said privilege can be revoked at any time, despite having been paid for in advance. Also, in case you never paid any attention to the legalities of purchasing a ticket for air travel, despite having taken your money, the airline really isn't obligated to do more than make a best effort attempt to get you (and/or your luggage) to your destination. Their best effort doesn't even have to be particularly good or effective, which is how and why people end up stranded or stuck with little to no reason or recourse.