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versus the alternative of giving birth and raising a child you don’t want, which also doesn’t include mental health services and lasts roughly 18 years longer
by micromacrofoot 5y ago
versus the alternative of giving birth and raising a child you don’t want, which also doesn’t include mental health services and lasts roughly 18 years longer
- meerita 5y ago
- micromacrofoot 5y agoYeah because that has zero psychological implications and always goes well. How about letting the person doing the work decide.
- meerita 5y agoYeah, because killing your own son/daughter will bring zero psychological implications.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoSeems like we’ve encountered a recursion error, I’ll say it again: let the person doing the work decide.
- meerita 5y agoImagine I invite you to a trip in my private jet. We're going to London, and when we're on the middle of the trip, I decide you're no longer welcome on my property. So I open the door the plane and drop you off of the plane. Most people will agree that is unfair, the ideal would be landing and then you move on, but i killed you just because i did the work deciding what was good for me, by convinience. That's your argument.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoMy argument is that your body is a private jet? believe me if that were the case I’d jump out willingly :) we will never see eye-to-eye on this on an ideological level, which I think exemplifies the importance of it being a personal choice!
- webmaven 5y ago> Imagine I invite you to a trip in my private jet. To extend your metaphor a bit, what if you didn't invite me aboard, and I'm a stowaway? Or a hijacker who wants to divert the plane to a different destination? What if my presence isn't merely inconvenient, but actually hazardous?
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- dhritzkiv 5y agoYou don't need to birth it.
- meerita 5y agoYou don't need to breed.
- dhritzkiv 5y agoTrue! There should be many options for avoiding offspring.
- meerita 5y ago
- webmaven 5y ago> You don't need to breed. That's the point, actually. People want to have sex without actually breeding. No method of contraception is 100% effective, so there are options for ending unwanted pregnancies.
- xenadu02 5y agoPregnancy causes permanent body changes for one thing, even putting aside spending 9 months being forced by the state to do something with your body that you don't want to do. I'd hope we could all agree that better sex education and making access to contraceptives easier would be a great way to lower the number of abortions. But many of the states that have restricted access also ban such practices, mandate abstinence-only education in schools, etc. Why not mandate that any hospital that receives federal funds must provide contraceptive RX/shots at low or no cost? If abortion is so bad why oppose easy wins? IMHO that says more about the real motivations than anything else. It has nothing to do with a child's life - the same politicians oppose the child tax credit and cut funding for early education, child healthcare programs, etc. The real purpose is to punish "those dirty whores" for living a lifestyle they don't approve of. Sometimes for personal reasons, sometimes for religious reasons. So they use the power of the state (the barrel of a gun) to force people to conform to their view of what is right - a minority view I might add. I happen to think that's immoral and a misuse of state power. It is also incompatible with true conservatism, libertarianism, liberalism, and progressivism.
- meerita 5y agoSo, your solution is to kill your own son so you can avoid permanent body changes.
- colinmhayes 5y agoThey have no right to my body.
- falcolas 5y agoSure. I should be able to force you to endure 9 months of torture (not to mention the potential for severe health complications), potentially condemning the child to 18 years in the foster system, because of my beliefs. Got it.
- analog31 5y agoIf a drug, or a job, had the same rate of complications and death as pregnancy, it would be outlawed for being too dangerous.
- meerita 5y agoPlease, review the deaths by birth and deaths in the workplace and you will realize the flaws.
- encryptluks2 5y agoI agree, the alternative is not ideal either but there are serious consequences either way and so ensuring that both needs are met should be a priority.
- micromacrofoot 5y agoOf course, but thats a little higher in the hierarchy of needs here
- captainredbeard 5y agoAdoption
- micromacrofoot 5y agoYeah because the US has a wonderful foster/adoption/childcare system right? anti-abortion people always say adoption and then whine about taxes when they have to pay for it