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> Given the virtually unlimited executive powers the CDC believes it has Care to elaborate? CDC has historically been an extremely powerful organization devote

• sidewndr46 4y ago
  The event that is being referred to is probably when the CDC decided it had the authority to suspend evictions in the entire United States. It did not, as was decided by the Supreme Court.
  • cm2187 4y ago
    The same happened with mask mandates.
    • sidewndr46 4y ago
      If you are referring to Health Freedom Defense Fund v. Biden, I don't think that was the Supreme Court. It was a federal court. I have no idea if anyone has petitioned the Supreme Court to hear the case.
      • bluSCALE4 4y ago
        I believe that's in regards to Fauci saying the mandate reversals by the Supreme Court are unfortunate and should be left to them to decide.
  • brewdad 4y ago
    So our government worked exactly as designed. Where is the problem?
    • Karunamon 4y ago
      I don't think an admonition to stop months after the damage is done is sufficient protection or remedy for government overstepping their powers, and I don't think you do either.
  • seoaeu 4y ago
    The Supreme Court is a bunch of partisan hacks. The only thing that ruling proves is that they wanted the eviction memorandum to be over
• jiveturkey 4y ago
  Devoted to the safety of the public, but not necessarily to that of the individual. ref: Tuskegee They are a government institution, and not to be blindly trusted. They require oversight above and beyond what private institutions require. I'm not sure why you want to give them the benefit of the doubt here.
  • epgui 4y ago
    The public is a collection of individuals.
    • psyc 4y ago
      And? A collection of individuals isn’t an individual. That’s why we don’t say that collectivist societies are all about the individual. They aren’t. It’s the opposite.
      • epgui 4y ago
        In this case, the goals of the public and of the individual are aligned. A few of the best ways to lose your individual autonomy are to die or become ill or disabled. Optimizing for as little of that as possible across society is a good thing for individual freedoms.
        • psyc 4y ago
          It isn’t individualism unless the individual is determining their own goals, and deciding what’s best for themselves. As soon as you have policy deciding what the public good is, you’re no longer discussing what individualists mean by individual freedom, at all. You’re subordinating the individual to the public good. I’m not trying to invalidate your other points, I’m asking you to please not try to frame them as ‘individual freedom, actually.’ I can’t stand doublespeak.
          • epgui 4y ago
            It really is not doublespeak. There are many examples of collective action / public policy that have the effect of maximizing or enabling individual autonomy.
• listless 4y ago
  The CDC unilaterally ruled this country for the better part of 2 years. No checks. No balances. Now you could argue that the desperation of the situation calls for something more expedient than Democracy. But many people who supported the moves made by the CDC (including me) were equally horrified that it had as much power to do so.
  • unclenoriega 4y ago
    Can you explain this further? My recollection of the past 2 years is quite different, and my understanding of the US government structure is that our elected representatives could overrule the CDC at any time.
  • standardUser 4y ago
    That is so wildly off the mark it is preposterous. State and local officials were almost entirely responsible for the actual implementation of pandemic response measures. And when various cities and states got tired of the pandemic (despite record deaths) they simply ignored the CDC.
    • Soapysmith 4y ago
      It is kinda like saying well the church did not enact the crusades it was the various kings and sovereigns who did. Well yes, that is true, but the church through its messaging put it into motion.
    • listless 4y ago
      "This is so wildly off the mark"... The CDC unliterally... * Outlawed all evictions * Mandated masks on airplanes and public transportation * Banned migrants at the border * Grounded the entire cruise industry And it's not that those things shouldn't be done. It's that they were done by a body with no checks and balances. None - whatsoever. There should not be a body in our government that can just make laws undemocratically. Or should there? This should be a cause of concern for everyone.
  • 0xy 4y ago
    Did you support them lying about mask effectiveness, destroying their credibility and leading to deaths? There's no question the CDC increased deaths by calling masks ineffective at the beginning of the pandemic. Their credibility never recovered, especially not when they are still flip flopping to this day (recommendations on masks oscillated by the week, often in response to public sentiment/political pressure -- not science).