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What's crazy is how far we've changed. The whole opinion of roe v Wade was predicated on the fact the government had no right to people's health information:

What's crazy is how far we've changed. The whole opinion of roe v Wade was predicated on the fact the government had no right to people's health information: > In January 1973, the Supreme Court issued a 7–2 decision in McCorvey's favor ruling that the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides a "right to privacy" that protects a pregnant woman's right to choose whether to have an abortion. Now we have vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, and CDC surveillance.

rootusrootus 4y ago
> Now we have vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, and CDC surveillance. Not coincidentally, Roe is about to be a memory too.
brimble 4y ago
> vaccine mandates We've had those for decades. > vaccine passports These must not be a federal thing, because I still don't really know what people mean by this. Is it a state thing? > and CDC surveillance Private surveillance that the CDC and anyone else can buy. I agree that collecting this info in the first place, let alone selling it, should be very, very illegal.
- JaceLightning 4y ago
  We have had federal vaccine mandates to hold a job before? I've never had to provide proof of vaccination.
  - brimble 4y ago
    There are ways around it (as there are with Covid vaccine requirements), but most folks are subject to vaccine mandates for school attendance (though, sure, those are state-level rules). IIRC I had to provide vaccination records for college, too. Plenty of states require vaccination to teach in a school (so, to hold a job). What's different about this isn't the presence of mandates, but that it was a novel virus so mandates were applied to (a small set of) adults rather than mainly to kids. In fact, the set of people to whom Covid vaccine mandates apply is surely way smaller than the set to whom a variety of others do. I'm pretty sure most states aren't requiring Covid vaccination for school attendance, for instance.
ChrisLomont 4y ago
>The whole opinion of roe v Wade was predicated on the fact the government had no right to people's health information The Due Process violation is not about government right to health information. It's about the govt not being able to deprive people of things without due process. Here's the full SC ruling [1] [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113 https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113
- JaceLightning 4y ago
  The ruling claims that people had a right to privacy and that means medical decisions were not up to the government.

rootusrootus 4y ago

> Now we have vaccine mandates, vaccine passports, and CDC surveillance. Not coincidentally, Roe is about to be a memory too.

brimble 4y ago

> vaccine mandates We've had those for decades. > vaccine passports These must not be a federal thing, because I still don't really know what people mean by this. Is it a state thing? > and CDC surveillance Private surveillance that the CDC and anyone else can buy. I agree that collecting this info in the first place, let alone selling it, should be very, very illegal.

JaceLightning 4y ago
We have had federal vaccine mandates to hold a job before? I've never had to provide proof of vaccination.
- brimble 4y ago
  There are ways around it (as there are with Covid vaccine requirements), but most folks are subject to vaccine mandates for school attendance (though, sure, those are state-level rules). IIRC I had to provide vaccination records for college, too. Plenty of states require vaccination to teach in a school (so, to hold a job). What's different about this isn't the presence of mandates, but that it was a novel virus so mandates were applied to (a small set of) adults rather than mainly to kids. In fact, the set of people to whom Covid vaccine mandates apply is surely way smaller than the set to whom a variety of others do. I'm pretty sure most states aren't requiring Covid vaccination for school attendance, for instance.

ChrisLomont 4y ago

>The whole opinion of roe v Wade was predicated on the fact the government had no right to people's health information The Due Process violation is not about government right to health information. It's about the govt not being able to deprive people of things without due process. Here's the full SC ruling [1] [1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113 https://www.law.cornell.edu/supremecourt/text/410/113

JaceLightning 4y ago
The ruling claims that people had a right to privacy and that means medical decisions were not up to the government.