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Don't worry abortion will be illegal soon. I have always wondered if in the long run it would have been better if Lincoln actually lost the Civil war. The Blue

Don't worry abortion will be illegal soon. I have always wondered if in the long run it would have been better if Lincoln actually lost the Civil war. The Blue states would be free from the conservatives.

umvi 4y ago
Even if Roe v Wade is appealed, that does not mean abortion will automatically be illegal. It means it will be left up to state governments to decide. California, for example, will almost certainly have legal abortion. > I have always wondered if in the long run it would have been better if Lincoln actually lost the Civil war. The Blue states would be free from the conservatives. Come on, abortion and slavery aren't even comparable. In one case people are potentially blocked from access to post-conception birth control, and in the other case actual humans were enslaved and bred for profit.
- gscott 4y ago
  All States have to do is make a law that says if you travel for abortion you can be charged for murder if you come back to the state. That will tie a bow on fanatics fever dreams of no abortions under any circumstance.
  - etskinner 4y ago
    Is that legal? My understanding is that they don't have jurisdiction beyond their borders. That would be like saying if you consume cannabis in a state where it's legal and then go back to a state where it's not, they could charge you.
    - toomuchtodo 4y ago
      https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/19/travel-abortion-law-missouri-00018539 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/19/travel-abortion-law...
      - everforward 4y ago
        I don't think that will apply here. What those states are doing is pushing enforcement off onto private citizens, who aren't bound by Roe v Wade. Private citizens can't enforce criminal penalties, so you can't use those kinds of laws to hand out prison sentences or executions. Still a valid point about the expansion of anti-abortion laws, though.
- sofixa 4y ago
  > Even if Roe v Wade is appealed, that does not mean abortion will automatically be illegal I read somewhere that there are already a bunch of states (in the 20s) with laws on the books prohibiting abortions if the federal precedent disappears.
- floor2 4y ago
  > abortion and slavery aren't even comparable Funny connection between the two regarding "who deserves human rights" though. In the 1700s people said slaves weren't really fully human and deserving of rights. Today people say unborn babies aren't really fully human and deserving of rights. Maybe someday civil rights will progress to include the unborn. It's taken centuries to get to a society where all races, all religions, all genders, etc have full rights, maybe in 2100 the unborn rights movement will win out and our grandchildren will think we were unimaginable bigots.
  - czzr 4y ago
    Doubtful. Unless you think in 2100 that rape victims will be forced to carry babies to term and people will mourn early miscarriages as if a toddler died. I would be extremely surprised.
  - trasz 4y ago
    It doesn’t matter if fetuses are people. What does matter is if people who don’t want to be pregnant are people. Because abortion ban denies them their right to decide about their bodies. Abortion ban is just yet another form of religiously motivated organized stupidity. It’s no different from LGBT discrimination.
- monocasa 4y ago
  The leaked opinion is compatible with future US code that makes abortion federally illegal. It sort of goes out of it's way to not restrict federal power in the matter (despite going on and on about states' rights as a proxy for legitimacy from the citizens), but instead mainly attacks the idea of the constitution containing an intrinsic right to privacy.
- raxxorraxor 4y ago
  Ideally neither should be of too much relevance and society should form a consensus. But otherwise a responsibility on the federal level makes much more sense if a consensus is formed and put into law. Not from the US though.
ARandomerDude 4y ago
> The Blue states would be free from the conservatives. And vice versa.
giraffe_lady 4y ago
Heart of american liberalism right there. "Other people living under slavery is better than me having to deal with the political consequences of ending it." Same shit continues really. The "blue states" might be "free" of "the conservatives" even now, but what about the people living in those states? Abortion isn't even that overwhelmingly unpopular in the south, those states are just gerrymandered to shit and under effective voter suppression. But hey that's their business right let's just leave them to it.

umvi 4y ago

Even if Roe v Wade is appealed, that does not mean abortion will automatically be illegal. It means it will be left up to state governments to decide. California, for example, will almost certainly have legal abortion. > I have always wondered if in the long run it would have been better if Lincoln actually lost the Civil war. The Blue states would be free from the conservatives. Come on, abortion and slavery aren't even comparable. In one case people are potentially blocked from access to post-conception birth control, and in the other case actual humans were enslaved and bred for profit.

gscott 4y ago
All States have to do is make a law that says if you travel for abortion you can be charged for murder if you come back to the state. That will tie a bow on fanatics fever dreams of no abortions under any circumstance.
- etskinner 4y ago
  Is that legal? My understanding is that they don't have jurisdiction beyond their borders. That would be like saying if you consume cannabis in a state where it's legal and then go back to a state where it's not, they could charge you.
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/19/travel-abortion-law-missouri-00018539 https://www.politico.com/news/2022/03/19/travel-abortion-law...
    - everforward 4y ago
      I don't think that will apply here. What those states are doing is pushing enforcement off onto private citizens, who aren't bound by Roe v Wade. Private citizens can't enforce criminal penalties, so you can't use those kinds of laws to hand out prison sentences or executions. Still a valid point about the expansion of anti-abortion laws, though.
sofixa 4y ago
> Even if Roe v Wade is appealed, that does not mean abortion will automatically be illegal I read somewhere that there are already a bunch of states (in the 20s) with laws on the books prohibiting abortions if the federal precedent disappears.
floor2 4y ago
> abortion and slavery aren't even comparable Funny connection between the two regarding "who deserves human rights" though. In the 1700s people said slaves weren't really fully human and deserving of rights. Today people say unborn babies aren't really fully human and deserving of rights. Maybe someday civil rights will progress to include the unborn. It's taken centuries to get to a society where all races, all religions, all genders, etc have full rights, maybe in 2100 the unborn rights movement will win out and our grandchildren will think we were unimaginable bigots.
- czzr 4y ago
  Doubtful. Unless you think in 2100 that rape victims will be forced to carry babies to term and people will mourn early miscarriages as if a toddler died. I would be extremely surprised.
- trasz 4y ago
  It doesn’t matter if fetuses are people. What does matter is if people who don’t want to be pregnant are people. Because abortion ban denies them their right to decide about their bodies. Abortion ban is just yet another form of religiously motivated organized stupidity. It’s no different from LGBT discrimination.
monocasa 4y ago
The leaked opinion is compatible with future US code that makes abortion federally illegal. It sort of goes out of it's way to not restrict federal power in the matter (despite going on and on about states' rights as a proxy for legitimacy from the citizens), but instead mainly attacks the idea of the constitution containing an intrinsic right to privacy.
raxxorraxor 4y ago
Ideally neither should be of too much relevance and society should form a consensus. But otherwise a responsibility on the federal level makes much more sense if a consensus is formed and put into law. Not from the US though.

ARandomerDude 4y ago

> The Blue states would be free from the conservatives. And vice versa.

giraffe_lady 4y ago

Heart of american liberalism right there. "Other people living under slavery is better than me having to deal with the political consequences of ending it." Same shit continues really. The "blue states" might be "free" of "the conservatives" even now, but what about the people living in those states? Abortion isn't even that overwhelmingly unpopular in the south, those states are just gerrymandered to shit and under effective voter suppression. But hey that's their business right let's just leave them to it.