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It’s nice for a week or two, but gets boring pretty fast. You can only eat at L’Atelier so many times. But it’s surely better than almost every other city in t

by rosndo 4y ago

It’s nice for a week or two, but gets boring pretty fast. You can only eat at L’Atelier so many times. But it’s surely better than almost every other city in the world.

mdp2021 4y ago
> But it’s surely better than almost every other city in the world On which basis?
- rosndo 4y ago
  Restaurants, flight connections, quality of services, friendly tax regime. Restaurants obviously being the most important metric. Sure, it’ll lose out to London, Paris, Barcelona, New York, Los Angeles, … But it won’t lose out to cities like Manchester or Liverpool.
  - tclancy 4y ago
    >Restaurants obviously being the most important metric This reminds me a bit of Eddie Izzard's impression of the Queen: "A plumber? What on Eaaarrrthh is that?" Not everyone can eat at a restaurant nightly. Not everyone can eat. And some of the reason for that is designed into the current system.
    - doldols 4y ago
      Sure, but HN audience is primarily rich tech workers, entrepreneurs and temporarily embarrassed versions of those. In this context it makes sense to look at things from that perspective. On reddit it would of course be different.
      - qsdf38100 4y ago
        I’d hope rich tech workers and entrepreneurs aren’t all ok with the amount of slavery and oppression going on in Dubai.
        doldols 4y ago
        There is no slavery in Dubai, oppression yes, but not actual slavery. You’ll find more slaves per capita in the US where prisoners are widely used as actual slave labor.
        devoutsalsa 4y ago
        There are definitely people who are enslaved in the UAE under the Kafala System. It’s unclear to me how widespread it is, but it does happen. When I was there, I personally met a woman on Tinder, and on our date she told me she had been forced into prostitution by the person who brought her to the UAE. She had to earn tens of thousands of dollars to get her passport back from him. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system
        rosndo 4y ago
        This is absolutely illegal and you can get your passport back within a day or two by just calling MOHRE. A decade ago this stuff may have been more common, but the government has cracked down heavily to the point that it doesn’t exist any more than it does in Europe.
- umeshunni 4y ago
  Good infrastructure, clean streets, adequate public transit, no crime. Well connected globally.
  - barry-cotter 4y ago
    > Good infrastructure They don’t even have a working sewage system.
    - umeshunni 4y ago
      Hmmm. this article from 2011 says they do: https://web.archive.org/web/20130504074926/http://gulftoday.ae/portal/7643b815-413c-458a-b095-0f38be12ce35.aspx https://web.archive.org/web/20130504074926/http://gulftoday....
      - barry-cotter 4y ago
        This company is still advertising its tanker services in 2020. https://dotless.ae/how-does-dubai-manage-its-sewage-water/ https://dotless.ae/how-does-dubai-manage-its-sewage-water/ From 2016 so Dubai may have had a working sewage system for a year, so I could be wrong. > Dubai: The emirate of Dubai will get a new deep tunnel sewerage system costing Dh12.5 billion in the next five years to replace more than 121 sewage pumping stations. Pumping station meaning tankers transport the waste away. https://gulfnews.com/uae/government/dubai-to-get-a-new-sewage-system-in-coming-five-years-1.1828229 https://gulfnews.com/uae/government/dubai-to-get-a-new-sewag...
        doldols 4y ago
        From the end user perspective that still seems like a working sewage system, no? It’s not like they’re making residents pay high taxes to pay for the tankers either.
        barry-cotter 4y ago
        We disagree on what a working sewage system means. Tanker trucks aren’t it. Dubai may have had a working sewage system for a year now. Not great but better than I thought was the case.

by rosndo 4y ago

It’s nice for a week or two, but gets boring pretty fast. You can only eat at L’Atelier so many times. But it’s surely better than almost every other city in the world.

mdp2021 4y ago

> But it’s surely better than almost every other city in the world On which basis?

rosndo 4y ago
Restaurants, flight connections, quality of services, friendly tax regime. Restaurants obviously being the most important metric. Sure, it’ll lose out to London, Paris, Barcelona, New York, Los Angeles, … But it won’t lose out to cities like Manchester or Liverpool.
- tclancy 4y ago
  >Restaurants obviously being the most important metric This reminds me a bit of Eddie Izzard's impression of the Queen: "A plumber? What on Eaaarrrthh is that?" Not everyone can eat at a restaurant nightly. Not everyone can eat. And some of the reason for that is designed into the current system.
  - doldols 4y ago
    Sure, but HN audience is primarily rich tech workers, entrepreneurs and temporarily embarrassed versions of those. In this context it makes sense to look at things from that perspective. On reddit it would of course be different.
    - qsdf38100 4y ago
      I’d hope rich tech workers and entrepreneurs aren’t all ok with the amount of slavery and oppression going on in Dubai.
      - doldols 4y ago
        There is no slavery in Dubai, oppression yes, but not actual slavery. You’ll find more slaves per capita in the US where prisoners are widely used as actual slave labor.
        devoutsalsa 4y ago
        There are definitely people who are enslaved in the UAE under the Kafala System. It’s unclear to me how widespread it is, but it does happen. When I was there, I personally met a woman on Tinder, and on our date she told me she had been forced into prostitution by the person who brought her to the UAE. She had to earn tens of thousands of dollars to get her passport back from him. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kafala_system
        rosndo 4y ago
        This is absolutely illegal and you can get your passport back within a day or two by just calling MOHRE. A decade ago this stuff may have been more common, but the government has cracked down heavily to the point that it doesn’t exist any more than it does in Europe.
umeshunni 4y ago
Good infrastructure, clean streets, adequate public transit, no crime. Well connected globally.
- barry-cotter 4y ago
  > Good infrastructure They don’t even have a working sewage system.
  - umeshunni 4y ago
    Hmmm. this article from 2011 says they do: https://web.archive.org/web/20130504074926/http://gulftoday.ae/portal/7643b815-413c-458a-b095-0f38be12ce35.aspx https://web.archive.org/web/20130504074926/http://gulftoday....
    - barry-cotter 4y ago
      This company is still advertising its tanker services in 2020. https://dotless.ae/how-does-dubai-manage-its-sewage-water/ https://dotless.ae/how-does-dubai-manage-its-sewage-water/ From 2016 so Dubai may have had a working sewage system for a year, so I could be wrong. > Dubai: The emirate of Dubai will get a new deep tunnel sewerage system costing Dh12.5 billion in the next five years to replace more than 121 sewage pumping stations. Pumping station meaning tankers transport the waste away. https://gulfnews.com/uae/government/dubai-to-get-a-new-sewage-system-in-coming-five-years-1.1828229 https://gulfnews.com/uae/government/dubai-to-get-a-new-sewag...
      - doldols 4y ago
        From the end user perspective that still seems like a working sewage system, no? It’s not like they’re making residents pay high taxes to pay for the tankers either.
        barry-cotter 4y ago
        We disagree on what a working sewage system means. Tanker trucks aren’t it. Dubai may have had a working sewage system for a year now. Not great but better than I thought was the case.