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> restricted file access so much that a third-party app can't move files between directories without the OS prompting you to allow the "delete" What use case d

by Elyra 4y ago

> restricted file access so much that a third-party app can't move files between directories without the OS prompting you to allow the "delete" What use case do you have where you have an app that you want to be able to move files but you don't trust it with the "delete" permission?

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
I do trust it. The OS, however, "helpfully" insists on "protecting" me and prompts every single time with no way to save the permission.
- Elyra 4y ago
  Which app and Android version is it? I've never had that issue where it prompts me every time without letting me save the permission, although if I recall requesting one time access is different than requesting permanent access for some permissions that an app has to declare, so maybe the app never declared the latter. (I admit, this is sort of silly)
  - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
    This is https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.simplemobiletools.gallery.pro/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.simplemobiletools.galler... on Android 11 (LineageOS 18.1). And yes, it may be a localized bug, but it's a localized bug that wouldn't occur on a nice normal GNU/Linux desktop without all of this, bringing us back to me agreeing with >> One of the problems with the security measures implemented in Android and iOS is that they restrict the user as much, if not more, than they restrict an attacker.
    - Elyra 4y ago
      In order to argue that, you have to list your goals, what you want to do with your phone, and the goals of an attacker. On Android, other than a few minor inconveniences, I can still achieve everything I want to with my phone, where an attacker will have a difficult time achieving their goal, of presumably stealing some data from another app. This is compared to PureOS where you may have free reign, but so would an attacker if you install their app on your device. If you used QubesOS I'd argue that restricts the user a similar amount as Android does, not to mention missing out on a number of mobile friendly apps.
      - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
        That's fair! It's quite likely that at least some of the issue is precisely that I view Android devices as just another form of general-purpose computer, and I expect to be able to run them like any other computer; if I want to download a picture from a browser, recompress and convert it to another format, and then move it to a syncthing folder and sync it off to another machine, I expect the system to make that happen, without getting in my way at every single step. But really, the file moving issue surprised me precisely because I kind of understand that lots of people expect their phone to be terribly limited, but this was a step beyond what made sense even for that usecase.

by Elyra 4y ago

yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago

I do trust it. The OS, however, "helpfully" insists on "protecting" me and prompts every single time with no way to save the permission.

Elyra 4y ago
Which app and Android version is it? I've never had that issue where it prompts me every time without letting me save the permission, although if I recall requesting one time access is different than requesting permanent access for some permissions that an app has to declare, so maybe the app never declared the latter. (I admit, this is sort of silly)
- yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
  This is https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.simplemobiletools.gallery.pro/ https://f-droid.org/en/packages/com.simplemobiletools.galler... on Android 11 (LineageOS 18.1). And yes, it may be a localized bug, but it's a localized bug that wouldn't occur on a nice normal GNU/Linux desktop without all of this, bringing us back to me agreeing with >> One of the problems with the security measures implemented in Android and iOS is that they restrict the user as much, if not more, than they restrict an attacker.
  - Elyra 4y ago
    In order to argue that, you have to list your goals, what you want to do with your phone, and the goals of an attacker. On Android, other than a few minor inconveniences, I can still achieve everything I want to with my phone, where an attacker will have a difficult time achieving their goal, of presumably stealing some data from another app. This is compared to PureOS where you may have free reign, but so would an attacker if you install their app on your device. If you used QubesOS I'd argue that restricts the user a similar amount as Android does, not to mention missing out on a number of mobile friendly apps.
    - yjftsjthsd-h 4y ago
      That's fair! It's quite likely that at least some of the issue is precisely that I view Android devices as just another form of general-purpose computer, and I expect to be able to run them like any other computer; if I want to download a picture from a browser, recompress and convert it to another format, and then move it to a syncthing folder and sync it off to another machine, I expect the system to make that happen, without getting in my way at every single step. But really, the file moving issue surprised me precisely because I kind of understand that lots of people expect their phone to be terribly limited, but this was a step beyond what made sense even for that usecase.