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> It's also the BBC, the state propaganda organ of the UK, comparable to Russia's RT This is a very silly and misleading comparison. It’s true that the BBC has

> It's also the BBC, the state propaganda organ of the UK, comparable to Russia's RT This is a very silly and misleading comparison. It’s true that the BBC has biases, but these are more easily explained as cultural biases that are simply the product of it being a British organization with predominantly British staff, just the same as (eg) the New York Time has cultural biases that are the product of its own circumstances. To suggest it’s meaningfully a propaganda arm of the British state is just not really very credible.

TremendousJudge 4y ago
It's not as tightly controlled from the top as RT for sure, but the BBC is definitely used as propaganda for the state. You might agree with it more, but it's presenting the state as legitimate: everything related to the crown, to the _former_ colonies, to the government, and so on, is presented working on the assumption that things are mostly as they should be. This is propaganda for the state. To be clear, I'm not saying if I think this is good or bad, just that I think it's arguably true.
- phs318u 4y ago
  Aren't you then saying that it's impossible for anyone to hold a sincere view that "the state is legitimate"? By definition you're defining any such view as propaganda. All propagandists believe the state is legitimate, but not all people that believe the state is legitimate are propagandists.
  - mrcartmeneses 4y ago
    There’s some good research on this subject by Glasgow Media Group.
  - TremendousJudge 4y ago
    A person can hold any view they want (organizations such as the BBC aren't people, and they can't really "hold" views, but I digress). I think that if they spread that view, when paid/supported/otherwise made to exist by whatever entity that view is benefitting, it's advertising. And if it's political in nature, then it's propaganda. The British state funds the BBC and relies on it to show the world what the UK is all about, and to me, that's qualifies as propaganda.
M_bara 4y ago
No, it’s the truth. The BBC has a strong bias when it comes to reporting African news. Just take a look at the African news page, you won’t find anything positive [1]. Currently, headlines are: - beheading - al shabaab - CAR atrocities - mercenaries - pollution - hostages Basically, nothing positive across a large continent with 750 mil people. You are bound to get a more balanced coverage at the guardian, DW or Al Jazeera 1. https://www.bbc.com/news/world/africa https://www.bbc.com/news/world/africa

TremendousJudge 4y ago

It's not as tightly controlled from the top as RT for sure, but the BBC is definitely used as propaganda for the state. You might agree with it more, but it's presenting the state as legitimate: everything related to the crown, to the _former_ colonies, to the government, and so on, is presented working on the assumption that things are mostly as they should be. This is propaganda for the state. To be clear, I'm not saying if I think this is good or bad, just that I think it's arguably true.

phs318u 4y ago
Aren't you then saying that it's impossible for anyone to hold a sincere view that "the state is legitimate"? By definition you're defining any such view as propaganda. All propagandists believe the state is legitimate, but not all people that believe the state is legitimate are propagandists.
- mrcartmeneses 4y ago
  There’s some good research on this subject by Glasgow Media Group.
- TremendousJudge 4y ago
  A person can hold any view they want (organizations such as the BBC aren't people, and they can't really "hold" views, but I digress). I think that if they spread that view, when paid/supported/otherwise made to exist by whatever entity that view is benefitting, it's advertising. And if it's political in nature, then it's propaganda. The British state funds the BBC and relies on it to show the world what the UK is all about, and to me, that's qualifies as propaganda.

M_bara 4y ago

No, it’s the truth. The BBC has a strong bias when it comes to reporting African news. Just take a look at the African news page, you won’t find anything positive [1]. Currently, headlines are: - beheading - al shabaab - CAR atrocities - mercenaries - pollution - hostages Basically, nothing positive across a large continent with 750 mil people. You are bound to get a more balanced coverage at the guardian, DW or Al Jazeera 1. https://www.bbc.com/news/world/africa https://www.bbc.com/news/world/africa