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You are not a moral arbiter. Moralism is relative - some people will find it quite ethical to make sure that the people in power are being held to the same stan

by chomp 4y ago

You are not a moral arbiter. Moralism is relative - some people will find it quite ethical to make sure that the people in power are being held to the same standard as their constituents. Especially when those people in power are removing autonomy from people. AND especially when those people in power can keep their autonomy by ensuring they can travel to blue states or overseas in case they need more freedom.

throwawayacc2 4y ago
- elliekelly 4y ago
  You can’t murder a clump of cells. Otherwise the treatment for cancer or a yeast infection would result in a prison sentence.
  - throwawayacc2 4y ago
    I think this fundamental difference in morality is why your country will fall apart.
    - lotsofpulp 4y ago
      The country functions with differences in morality. It has for the past 50 years. The only reason it would not work is if some people try to force their morals on others when the situation has nothing to do with them.
    - kolanos 4y ago
      Which country do you live in where morality is so homogenized?
robonerd 4y ago
Considering this data is dangerous to far more innocent women and abortion doctors than Republican lawmakers, it doesn't seem very wise to gloat about it.
- jjoonathan 4y ago
  "Gloat?" More like "hold responsible."
  - robonerd 4y ago
    I get that you're looking for a silver lining to this, but what you've found is micron of silver in a metric ton of pig shit.
    - Tostino 4y ago
      Do you think these lawmakers will care enough to attempt to stop this from happening going forward, if it doesn't affect them personally? I do not. They have shown an almost aggressive lack of empathy.
      - robonerd 4y ago
        I don't know how republican lawmakers will react. But I think this information has the potential to hurt far more innocent people.
vinyl7 4y ago
This is how the country will end up in a civil war. Tit for tat never ends
- jjoonathan 4y ago
  In contrast, appeasement always ends -- in failure.
- thatguy0900 4y ago
  Are civil wars the fault of the people who hold politicians accountable? The tit for tat here only works if the politicians arw actually up to shady stuff. Thats the issue
  - throwawayacc2 4y ago
    The tit for tat exists because there is nothing left binding your country together. Do you not see there are now people with complete, diametrically opposed views on morality in your country? The exact same thing, one person will look at it and see murder and another see nothing wrong. One will see transexuals in kindergarten and say “how brave” other will see a nightmare horror. One looks at your very government and sees either the far left or the far right. Do you not see there is no such thing as the american people now? Why do you keep pretending you are a country when you are clearly not. Why do you want to live with the other in the same country? Why do you want to force them to live with you?
    - toomuchtodo 4y ago
      > Why do you keep pretending you are a country when you are clearly not. Why do you want to live with the other in the same country? Why do you want to force them to live with you? I'm unsure what else the nation could do with these people. Ship them somewhere else? One side is waiting for the other side to attrition out (Pew Research Voter Demographics corpus). What other options are available? Who else would want them? The people who don't believe in the peaceful transfer of power and believe in subjugating the rights of others due to their own belief systems don't want to negotiate or compromise. How do you work with opposition who doesn't want progress, but only to make someone suffer? You cannot, so you lean into whatever will work. “He’s not hurting the people he needs to be." https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/tr... McConnell says he's '100 percent' focused on 'stopping' Biden's administration https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/mcconnell-says-he-s-100-percent-focused-stopping-biden-s-n1266443 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/mcconnell-says-he... "The GOP's no-compromise pledge" https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311 https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromis... "4 In 10 Republicans Say Political Violence May Be Necessary" https://www.npr.org/2021/02/11/966498544/a-scary-survey-finding-4-in-10-republicans-say-political-violence-may-be-necessa https://www.npr.org/2021/02/11/966498544/a-scary-survey-find... This started with Newt Gingrich decades ago: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gi... This was built by design. > “One of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don’t encourage you to be nasty,” he told the group. “We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal, and faithful, and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around the campfire but are lousy in politics.”

by chomp 4y ago

throwawayacc2 4y ago

elliekelly 4y ago
You can’t murder a clump of cells. Otherwise the treatment for cancer or a yeast infection would result in a prison sentence.
- throwawayacc2 4y ago
  I think this fundamental difference in morality is why your country will fall apart.
  - lotsofpulp 4y ago
    The country functions with differences in morality. It has for the past 50 years. The only reason it would not work is if some people try to force their morals on others when the situation has nothing to do with them.
  - kolanos 4y ago
    Which country do you live in where morality is so homogenized?

robonerd 4y ago

Considering this data is dangerous to far more innocent women and abortion doctors than Republican lawmakers, it doesn't seem very wise to gloat about it.

jjoonathan 4y ago
"Gloat?" More like "hold responsible."
- robonerd 4y ago
  I get that you're looking for a silver lining to this, but what you've found is micron of silver in a metric ton of pig shit.
  - Tostino 4y ago
    Do you think these lawmakers will care enough to attempt to stop this from happening going forward, if it doesn't affect them personally? I do not. They have shown an almost aggressive lack of empathy.
    - robonerd 4y ago
      I don't know how republican lawmakers will react. But I think this information has the potential to hurt far more innocent people.

vinyl7 4y ago

This is how the country will end up in a civil war. Tit for tat never ends

jjoonathan 4y ago
In contrast, appeasement always ends -- in failure.
thatguy0900 4y ago
Are civil wars the fault of the people who hold politicians accountable? The tit for tat here only works if the politicians arw actually up to shady stuff. Thats the issue
- throwawayacc2 4y ago
  The tit for tat exists because there is nothing left binding your country together. Do you not see there are now people with complete, diametrically opposed views on morality in your country? The exact same thing, one person will look at it and see murder and another see nothing wrong. One will see transexuals in kindergarten and say “how brave” other will see a nightmare horror. One looks at your very government and sees either the far left or the far right. Do you not see there is no such thing as the american people now? Why do you keep pretending you are a country when you are clearly not. Why do you want to live with the other in the same country? Why do you want to force them to live with you?
  - toomuchtodo 4y ago
    > Why do you keep pretending you are a country when you are clearly not. Why do you want to live with the other in the same country? Why do you want to force them to live with you? I'm unsure what else the nation could do with these people. Ship them somewhere else? One side is waiting for the other side to attrition out (Pew Research Voter Demographics corpus). What other options are available? Who else would want them? The people who don't believe in the peaceful transfer of power and believe in subjugating the rights of others due to their own belief systems don't want to negotiate or compromise. How do you work with opposition who doesn't want progress, but only to make someone suffer? You cannot, so you lean into whatever will work. “He’s not hurting the people he needs to be." https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/trump-shutdown-voter-florida https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/1/8/18173678/tr... McConnell says he's '100 percent' focused on 'stopping' Biden's administration https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/mcconnell-says-he-s-100-percent-focused-stopping-biden-s-n1266443 https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/joe-biden/mcconnell-says-he... "The GOP's no-compromise pledge" https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromise-pledge-044311 https://www.politico.com/story/2010/10/the-gops-no-compromis... "4 In 10 Republicans Say Political Violence May Be Necessary" https://www.npr.org/2021/02/11/966498544/a-scary-survey-finding-4-in-10-republicans-say-political-violence-may-be-necessa https://www.npr.org/2021/02/11/966498544/a-scary-survey-find... This started with Newt Gingrich decades ago: https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gingrich-says-youre-welcome/570832/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/11/newt-gi... This was built by design. > “One of the great problems we have in the Republican Party is that we don’t encourage you to be nasty,” he told the group. “We encourage you to be neat, obedient, and loyal, and faithful, and all those Boy Scout words, which would be great around the campfire but are lousy in politics.”