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Ron you really should not be bashing your oldest most hard core fans. Monkey Island 2 is a masterpiece. The 2D hand drawn style and animation are a huge part o

Ron you really should not be bashing your oldest most hard core fans. Monkey Island 2 is a masterpiece. The 2D hand drawn style and animation are a huge part of it. I'll take any Monkey Island sequel, but if you take a closer look at say the Tales of Monkey Island sequels, you'll see what people are worried about. Monkey Island 4 was TERRIBLE. Fully 3D and tank controls. Tales of Monkey Island was great but completely ruined by terrible tank controls. A proper Monkey Island games needs to be 1. Point and Click 2. Have excellent puzzle design and structure 3. Ideally 2D hand drawn art and animation 4. Least important, Pixelated style like MI2 or Loom People who are critizing the trailer are worried we're getting another Tales of Monkey Island or Monkey Island 4. As long as you nail #1 (proper point and click controls) I think you will still make a better Monkey Island sequel since Curse of Monkey Island

seba_dos1 4y ago
What do 3D games have to do with this though? The new game is very clearly not 3D. Also, while Escape was absolutely atrocious, Tales wasn't so bad. It wasn't point'n'click, but unlike Escape it actually had reasonable controls.
- technovader 4y ago
  The new game isn't 3D, you're right. At least from the trailer I can assume so. But I wouldn't rule it out completely. Let's see when we actually get some gameplay. But it still feels like a major downgrade to Curse of Monkey Island or the originals. It looks like every other game, very generic style. It's lost the charm of the original games IMO. I think Ron has an opportunity to differentiate his game from all the bad sequels we got before it.
  - seba_dos1 4y ago
    "All the bad sequels"? From all Monkey Island games, I'd say only Escape could be considered somewhat bad. It felt rather uninspired compared to others, control scheme was awful and it aged the worst way of all MI games. All the rest are really great. Monkey Island series has been drastically changing the art style in its every single installment. When it comes to this new style, I find it hard to judge from still unpopulated screenshots, as they feel way too static to me. The trailer looks nice though.
    - technovader 4y ago
      I don't know how anyone can see a Monkey Island 2/3 screenshot, and compare it with this abomination, and say "it looks fine" Monkey Island 2 was a gorgeous work of art. Every scene was worthy of being a wallpaper. This trailer looks like something out of Teletoon / Cartoon Network. It's a style that is clearly lazy / easy / cheap.
    - WorldMaker 4y ago
      If you ignore the awful controls and equally awful minigames, I think Escape is still a fun pirate tale with a lot of things to love about it. I think the plot's overall is pretty inspired about the gentrification of the pirate islands, and it's the natural progression from Curse's exploration of the same themes (which in turn those themes going all the back to things like Secret's used boat sales lot). A lot of Escape is extremely funny, too. It just has that huge grind in the middle made worse by awful controls and environments that were both too big and too densely packed with sight gags and too empty all at once. "Somewhat bad", sure, given those qualifications of pretend the controls and their grind don't exist. But also, more inspired than many give it credit for and still "worst Monkey Island" is a relatively high bar compared to other franchises we could mention.
      - technovader 4y ago
        I don't disagree. I actually played through and finished EMI. I think its tonnes of fun and arguable better than CMI. But I won't say the tank controls didn't ruin an otherwise great game
        WorldMaker 4y ago
        I know Schafer wasn't involved in EMI and so had no direct interest in doing it but with the huge underlying similarities in the engine it would have been nice to get an EMI remaster side-by-side the Grim Fandango remaster with similar controls improvements. One of these days maybe SCUMMVM will finally get around to gifting us the right controls for EMI to make it truly fun to experience.
      - 4y ago
Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago
> Monkey Island 2 is a masterpiece. My mileage certainly differs. I loved how it looked, but to me it is by far the weakest of the lucasarts games I played (and I played all but the first Maniac Mansion and Zac McKraken). It is far too difficult! Far too many locations and items, you just get overwhelmed in the middle part of the game. MI1 was a much better game in this regard.
the_af 4y ago
> Ron you really should not be bashing your oldest most hard core fans. I don't read anything Ron said as "bashing". He explains why he is not interested in making pixel art games. He is also promising you this is the best possible Monkey Island game he can make, one he is proud of.
- technovader 4y ago
  He's playing the victim and calling them haters. It's a legitimate criticism about the art style. No one is "hating" Unless we're at a point where saying anything negative is "hating"
  - the_af 4y ago
    CTRL+F of "hate" and "hating" gives zero results in that page. This is what Ron actually says about some fans: > "It's ironic that the people who don't want me to make the game I want to make are some of the hard core Monkey Island fans. And that is what makes me sad about all the comments." And that's it. He's not "bashing" all fans, not even some fans. He's just explaining his vision and what his goal is for this Monkey Island game, and also expressing disappointment that some fans don't want him to make the game he wants. I think his points are solid. Monkey Island I & II weren't retrogames, and so it makes sense he won't try to turn this Monkey Island into a retrogame either. That's it. No "hate". No "hating". No "bashing".
agency 4y ago
Thank goodness Ron Gilbert has you to tell him what a proper Monkey Island game needs to be.
- technovader 4y ago
  You're being sarcastic but it seriously sounds like he needs a refresher course. We didn't wait 20 years for this.
  - melcor 4y ago
    > We didn't wait 20 years for this. Yes we did. MI1 and 2 was great because they were pushing the technological limitations, trying to be the best puzzle games they could, and were made by a great, talented, and enthusiastic team. Not because it was catering to entitled fans with rose tinted glasses.

seba_dos1 4y ago

What do 3D games have to do with this though? The new game is very clearly not 3D. Also, while Escape was absolutely atrocious, Tales wasn't so bad. It wasn't point'n'click, but unlike Escape it actually had reasonable controls.

technovader 4y ago
The new game isn't 3D, you're right. At least from the trailer I can assume so. But I wouldn't rule it out completely. Let's see when we actually get some gameplay. But it still feels like a major downgrade to Curse of Monkey Island or the originals. It looks like every other game, very generic style. It's lost the charm of the original games IMO. I think Ron has an opportunity to differentiate his game from all the bad sequels we got before it.
- seba_dos1 4y ago
  "All the bad sequels"? From all Monkey Island games, I'd say only Escape could be considered somewhat bad. It felt rather uninspired compared to others, control scheme was awful and it aged the worst way of all MI games. All the rest are really great. Monkey Island series has been drastically changing the art style in its every single installment. When it comes to this new style, I find it hard to judge from still unpopulated screenshots, as they feel way too static to me. The trailer looks nice though.
  - technovader 4y ago
    I don't know how anyone can see a Monkey Island 2/3 screenshot, and compare it with this abomination, and say "it looks fine" Monkey Island 2 was a gorgeous work of art. Every scene was worthy of being a wallpaper. This trailer looks like something out of Teletoon / Cartoon Network. It's a style that is clearly lazy / easy / cheap.
  - WorldMaker 4y ago
    If you ignore the awful controls and equally awful minigames, I think Escape is still a fun pirate tale with a lot of things to love about it. I think the plot's overall is pretty inspired about the gentrification of the pirate islands, and it's the natural progression from Curse's exploration of the same themes (which in turn those themes going all the back to things like Secret's used boat sales lot). A lot of Escape is extremely funny, too. It just has that huge grind in the middle made worse by awful controls and environments that were both too big and too densely packed with sight gags and too empty all at once. "Somewhat bad", sure, given those qualifications of pretend the controls and their grind don't exist. But also, more inspired than many give it credit for and still "worst Monkey Island" is a relatively high bar compared to other franchises we could mention.
    - technovader 4y ago
      I don't disagree. I actually played through and finished EMI. I think its tonnes of fun and arguable better than CMI. But I won't say the tank controls didn't ruin an otherwise great game
      - WorldMaker 4y ago
        I know Schafer wasn't involved in EMI and so had no direct interest in doing it but with the huge underlying similarities in the engine it would have been nice to get an EMI remaster side-by-side the Grim Fandango remaster with similar controls improvements. One of these days maybe SCUMMVM will finally get around to gifting us the right controls for EMI to make it truly fun to experience.
    - 4y ago

Andrew_nenakhov 4y ago

> Monkey Island 2 is a masterpiece. My mileage certainly differs. I loved how it looked, but to me it is by far the weakest of the lucasarts games I played (and I played all but the first Maniac Mansion and Zac McKraken). It is far too difficult! Far too many locations and items, you just get overwhelmed in the middle part of the game. MI1 was a much better game in this regard.

the_af 4y ago

> Ron you really should not be bashing your oldest most hard core fans. I don't read anything Ron said as "bashing". He explains why he is not interested in making pixel art games. He is also promising you this is the best possible Monkey Island game he can make, one he is proud of.

technovader 4y ago
He's playing the victim and calling them haters. It's a legitimate criticism about the art style. No one is "hating" Unless we're at a point where saying anything negative is "hating"
- the_af 4y ago
  CTRL+F of "hate" and "hating" gives zero results in that page. This is what Ron actually says about some fans: > "It's ironic that the people who don't want me to make the game I want to make are some of the hard core Monkey Island fans. And that is what makes me sad about all the comments." And that's it. He's not "bashing" all fans, not even some fans. He's just explaining his vision and what his goal is for this Monkey Island game, and also expressing disappointment that some fans don't want him to make the game he wants. I think his points are solid. Monkey Island I & II weren't retrogames, and so it makes sense he won't try to turn this Monkey Island into a retrogame either. That's it. No "hate". No "hating". No "bashing".

agency 4y ago

Thank goodness Ron Gilbert has you to tell him what a proper Monkey Island game needs to be.

technovader 4y ago
You're being sarcastic but it seriously sounds like he needs a refresher course. We didn't wait 20 years for this.
- melcor 4y ago
  > We didn't wait 20 years for this. Yes we did. MI1 and 2 was great because they were pushing the technological limitations, trying to be the best puzzle games they could, and were made by a great, talented, and enthusiastic team. Not because it was catering to entitled fans with rose tinted glasses.