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Stats that reveal breeds like pitbulls causing the majority of attacks seem to contradict this, no?

mindcrime 4y ago
It would contradict the headline as written, but headline is not actually an accurate statement of the article itself. This headline, to a superficial reading, says "breed has NO predictive power with regards to behavior". What the study found was that breed is a weak predictor of behavior, not that it has no impact at all.
rcpt 4y ago
It does. Once your pitbull mauls the neighbor kids you're not going to send it's DNA into their website. There's a huge sampling problem here.
rajin444 4y ago
not finding something is a lot different than finding something
lin83 4y ago
There's a subreddit that campaigns on the issue. The research page has a link to lots of studies, most from respectable publications, which are really damning: https://old.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/wiki/research https://old.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/wiki/research
TameAntelope 4y ago
No? It just means people teach pitbulls to attack other people. Ban pitbulls and those people will teach some other breed to attack.
- caterpi11ar 4y ago
  Pitbulls have been banned in various places. Any data to suggest this phenomenon has happened anywhere that pitbulls are banned?
  - TameAntelope 4y ago
    Pitbulls are not banned in areas where pitbulls are a problem, so no.
    - squidbeak 4y ago
      Pitbulls were banned in the UK in 1991. We still have fatalities from pitbull attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_t...
      - TameAntelope 4y ago
        I hope you see how that further demonstrates my point; the death volume would have remained at this value (approximately) regardless of the breed ban in the UK. Bad owners are the problem, not bad dogs.
        dymk 4y ago
        No, it just means the breed ban isn't being enforced.
        TameAntelope 4y ago
        How does a dog that isn't a banned breed killing someone mean a breed ban isn't getting enforced?
        robonerd 4y ago
        The dogs are banned but the bans are flagrantly flaunted and because of that, the dogs are still killing people.
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    - caterpi11ar 4y ago
rozap 4y ago
https://data.cityofnewyork.us/Health/DOHMH-Dog-Bite-Data/rsgh-akpg/explore/query/SELECT%20%60breed%60%2C%20count%28%2a%29%20AS%20%60count%60%0AGROUP%20BY%20%60breed%60%0AORDER%20BY%20%60count%60%20DESC%20NULL%20LAST/page/aggregate https://data.cityofnewyork.us/Health/DOHMH-Dog-Bite-Data/rsg... Followed (not too closely) by Shih Tzu and Chihuahua which are...a little less life threatening. This is just raw data and obviously not controlling for population.

It would contradict the headline as written, but headline is not actually an accurate statement of the article itself. This headline, to a superficial reading, says "breed has NO predictive power with regards to behavior". What the study found was that breed is a weak predictor of behavior, not that it has no impact at all.

rcpt 4y ago

It does. Once your pitbull mauls the neighbor kids you're not going to send it's DNA into their website. There's a huge sampling problem here.

rajin444 4y ago

not finding something is a lot different than finding something

lin83 4y ago

There's a subreddit that campaigns on the issue. The research page has a link to lots of studies, most from respectable publications, which are really damning: https://old.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/wiki/research https://old.reddit.com/r/BanPitBulls/wiki/research

TameAntelope 4y ago

No? It just means people teach pitbulls to attack other people. Ban pitbulls and those people will teach some other breed to attack.

caterpi11ar 4y ago
Pitbulls have been banned in various places. Any data to suggest this phenomenon has happened anywhere that pitbulls are banned?
- TameAntelope 4y ago
  Pitbulls are not banned in areas where pitbulls are a problem, so no.
  - squidbeak 4y ago
    Pitbulls were banned in the UK in 1991. We still have fatalities from pitbull attacks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_t...
    - TameAntelope 4y ago
      I hope you see how that further demonstrates my point; the death volume would have remained at this value (approximately) regardless of the breed ban in the UK. Bad owners are the problem, not bad dogs.
      - dymk 4y ago
        No, it just means the breed ban isn't being enforced.
        TameAntelope 4y ago
        How does a dog that isn't a banned breed killing someone mean a breed ban isn't getting enforced?
        robonerd 4y ago
        The dogs are banned but the bans are flagrantly flaunted and because of that, the dogs are still killing people.
  - deleted 4y ago
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  - caterpi11ar 4y ago

rozap 4y ago

https://data.cityofnewyork.us/Health/DOHMH-Dog-Bite-Data/rsgh-akpg/explore/query/SELECT%20%60breed%60%2C%20count%28%2a%29%20AS%20%60count%60%0AGROUP%20BY%20%60breed%60%0AORDER%20BY%20%60count%60%20DESC%20NULL%20LAST/page/aggregate https://data.cityofnewyork.us/Health/DOHMH-Dog-Bite-Data/rsg... Followed (not too closely) by Shih Tzu and Chihuahua which are...a little less life threatening. This is just raw data and obviously not controlling for population.