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> Then it sounds like they probably do want to a full return to in-office work, but don't think they can get away with it. I said "not the least of which becau

> Then it sounds like they probably do want to a full return to in-office work, but don't think they can get away with it. I said "not the least of which because". I didn't say that was the only reason. This is precisely the kind of cynical reading-between-the-lines that I'm talking about.

karaterobot 4y ago
> I didn't say that was the only reason. But, it was the only reason you gave.
- BaseballPhysics 4y ago
  From the HN guidelines: > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. I wasn't attempting to give you a complete and thorough explanation of our work-from-home policy or the reasoning behind it, but rather just one (very important) factor that's part of the overall calculus. I believe that was clear from the context.
not2b 4y ago
If you are experiencing cynical reading between the lines from your reports, you might want to ask yourself why. Why don't they trust you? Or maybe they think you're sincere but they don't trust senior management? I suspect that they have good reason for that, and you might take a closer look as to why.
- BaseballPhysics 4y ago
  You're not telling me anything I haven't already thought about. Remember, this thread started with me saying: > At my workplace they keep nodding at "hybrid" without any specifics and the resulting fear due to uncertainty is far worse than a clear policy that some (many) people might not like... The issue in my org is that, starting from the executive level down, everyone is saying "we are not forcing people back to the office", but no official policy has been written and published that lays that down in writing. Then mouzogu came along implying that, even with a written policy, they still wouldn't believe it, thus the tangent about being frustrated. But in my own org, today, absolutely staff have good reason to feel uncertain, if only because fear is filling the communication vacuum. As for karaterobot's comment, they extrapolated a brief remark into a conspiracy theory. Rest assured, when communicating with my staff, there's a lot more nuance that's being conveyed.
mehphp 4y ago
Meh, engineers tend to be pretty intelligent. If they are being cynical about management then it’s probably founded.
- BaseballPhysics 4y ago
  If we're stereotyping, I think you're overestimating human rationality and the power of emotional thinking, which is also a pretty common trait among engineers.
  - mehphp 4y ago
    I’m not stereotyping though; I said if engineers are cynical their is probably a reason. I didn’t say all engineers are cynical or all mangers give them a reason to be. It sounds like you have a disconnect with your ICs if you don’t understand why they don’t trust you.
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karaterobot 4y ago

> I didn't say that was the only reason. But, it was the only reason you gave.

BaseballPhysics 4y ago
From the HN guidelines: > Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith. I wasn't attempting to give you a complete and thorough explanation of our work-from-home policy or the reasoning behind it, but rather just one (very important) factor that's part of the overall calculus. I believe that was clear from the context.

not2b 4y ago

If you are experiencing cynical reading between the lines from your reports, you might want to ask yourself why. Why don't they trust you? Or maybe they think you're sincere but they don't trust senior management? I suspect that they have good reason for that, and you might take a closer look as to why.

BaseballPhysics 4y ago
You're not telling me anything I haven't already thought about. Remember, this thread started with me saying: > At my workplace they keep nodding at "hybrid" without any specifics and the resulting fear due to uncertainty is far worse than a clear policy that some (many) people might not like... The issue in my org is that, starting from the executive level down, everyone is saying "we are not forcing people back to the office", but no official policy has been written and published that lays that down in writing. Then mouzogu came along implying that, even with a written policy, they still wouldn't believe it, thus the tangent about being frustrated. But in my own org, today, absolutely staff have good reason to feel uncertain, if only because fear is filling the communication vacuum. As for karaterobot's comment, they extrapolated a brief remark into a conspiracy theory. Rest assured, when communicating with my staff, there's a lot more nuance that's being conveyed.

mehphp 4y ago

Meh, engineers tend to be pretty intelligent. If they are being cynical about management then it’s probably founded.

BaseballPhysics 4y ago
If we're stereotyping, I think you're overestimating human rationality and the power of emotional thinking, which is also a pretty common trait among engineers.
- mehphp 4y ago
  I’m not stereotyping though; I said if engineers are cynical their is probably a reason. I didn’t say all engineers are cynical or all mangers give them a reason to be. It sounds like you have a disconnect with your ICs if you don’t understand why they don’t trust you.
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