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> It's entirely a byproduct of a lack of trust in management intentions. Absolutely true. Employees do not trust management for good reasons, because they have

> It's entirely a byproduct of a lack of trust in management intentions. Absolutely true. Employees do not trust management for good reasons, because they have experience with management not being open and honest with them (speaking generally here, of course there are exceptions). Management's goals are often counter to those of the employees. Whereas workers want good pay, flexibility, work/life balance, and so on. Management wants control, pay people less, have them work more, and so on. Many managers pretend they care about what the workers want, only to force on to them what they want. People pick up on that bait and switch after a few times. Again, speaking generally here, this isn't universal, but it is common.

krschultz 5y ago
Spoken like someone that's never been a manager.
- Eddy_Viscosity2 5y ago
  Except that I have. I've been on both sides of this issue and stand by these comments.
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- samhw 5y ago
  What they are describing is literally the objective objectives of a company's management. It's not some fluffy 'cultural values' thing that changes based on what the company's philosophy is. I've held exec positions at startups and ... well, I don't need to have held those positions to tell you this. (These authority contests are so frustratingly silly. We're not 5 year olds.)
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BaseballPhysics 5y ago
> Management's goals are often counter to those of the employees. Whereas workers want good pay, flexibility, work/life balance, and so on. Management wants control, pay people less, have them work more, and so on. Many managers pretend they care about what the workers want, only to force on to them what they want. People pick up on that bait and switch after a few times. Again, speaking generally here, this isn't universal, but it is common. Yes, there are companies that behave this way. And there are many companies that don't. As you say, it's not universal. The question is: What kind of company is Apple? I honestly have no idea. But to assume, universally, that all companies will renege on their hybrid work commitments is much too cynical for me.
- UnpossibleJim 5y ago
  You have to assume this type of bait and switch when companies like Apple, Microsoft and Google have spent so much money on their flagship campuses, that will have to be torn down and rebuilt as they were custom designed by architects in neomodernist styles as proxy corporate peens =/
- lotsofpulp 5y ago
  >The question is: What kind of company is Apple? >I honestly have no idea. But to assume, universally, that all companies will renege on their hybrid work commitments is much too cynical for me. It is the kind of company that colludes with other employers to illegally gain advantage when negotiating with employees about pay and quality of life at work. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-requires-six-high-tech-companies-stop-entering-anticompetitive-employee https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-requires-s... If you want to believe people at Apple have changed, go for it. But in my opinion, it always behooves sellers of labor that buyers of labor are always playing an adversarial game. And vice versa of course.
- cudgy 5y ago
  > Yes, there are companies that behave this way. And there are many companies that don't. Can you name some companies that don’t? Very few companies with more than a few employees are more concerned about the bottom line of their employees than the corporation. This is by design due to management training in business schools, motivation by managers to control and yield power over others to signal their prowess, and basic greed by business stakeholders to maximize their returns to name just a few reasons.

krschultz 5y ago

Spoken like someone that's never been a manager.

Eddy_Viscosity2 5y ago
Except that I have. I've been on both sides of this issue and stand by these comments.
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samhw 5y ago
What they are describing is literally the objective objectives of a company's management. It's not some fluffy 'cultural values' thing that changes based on what the company's philosophy is. I've held exec positions at startups and ... well, I don't need to have held those positions to tell you this. (These authority contests are so frustratingly silly. We're not 5 year olds.)
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BaseballPhysics 5y ago

> Management's goals are often counter to those of the employees. Whereas workers want good pay, flexibility, work/life balance, and so on. Management wants control, pay people less, have them work more, and so on. Many managers pretend they care about what the workers want, only to force on to them what they want. People pick up on that bait and switch after a few times. Again, speaking generally here, this isn't universal, but it is common. Yes, there are companies that behave this way. And there are many companies that don't. As you say, it's not universal. The question is: What kind of company is Apple? I honestly have no idea. But to assume, universally, that all companies will renege on their hybrid work commitments is much too cynical for me.

UnpossibleJim 5y ago
You have to assume this type of bait and switch when companies like Apple, Microsoft and Google have spent so much money on their flagship campuses, that will have to be torn down and rebuilt as they were custom designed by architects in neomodernist styles as proxy corporate peens =/
lotsofpulp 5y ago
>The question is: What kind of company is Apple? >I honestly have no idea. But to assume, universally, that all companies will renege on their hybrid work commitments is much too cynical for me. It is the kind of company that colludes with other employers to illegally gain advantage when negotiating with employees about pay and quality of life at work. https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-requires-six-high-tech-companies-stop-entering-anticompetitive-employee https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-requires-s... If you want to believe people at Apple have changed, go for it. But in my opinion, it always behooves sellers of labor that buyers of labor are always playing an adversarial game. And vice versa of course.
cudgy 5y ago
> Yes, there are companies that behave this way. And there are many companies that don't. Can you name some companies that don’t? Very few companies with more than a few employees are more concerned about the bottom line of their employees than the corporation. This is by design due to management training in business schools, motivation by managers to control and yield power over others to signal their prowess, and basic greed by business stakeholders to maximize their returns to name just a few reasons.