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The time theft of traffic, costs of fuel and wear and tear on your car, the cost of lunch if you don't pack a lunch. It all adds up when having to go back to th
by post_break 4y ago
The time theft of traffic, costs of fuel and wear and tear on your car, the cost of lunch if you don't pack a lunch. It all adds up when having to go back to the office. I hate that we had to return to the office because it was like getting a big pay cut. Even the 3 day a week thing, it's like what's the point? We can work from home obviously, what more does going in 3 times a week accomplish other than punish you, showing you how much it sucks to go to the office. All it really feels like is punishment forcing you to be under some managers thumb.
- gedy 4y agoI realize this won't fly with many companies, but at a previous role I treated commute time (~1.5 hours/day) as work time. Not 8.5 hours work with commute on top of that.
- Invictus0 4y agoTheft? Lol. Never get tired of hearing people making multiple 6 figures complain about their horrible life
- turtledove 4y agoWe're all workers, and we should be supporting one another. Everyone has different concerns, but if you have a boss you have more in common with others who have bosses. Worker solidarity raises us all up. Support workers in improving their workplaces rather than blowing them off for making slightly more.
- seneca 4y agoBlindly offering solidarity with absurd claims makes everyone involved look petulant. Be careful who you cast your lot with.
- bckr 4y agoThis may be true, but should we all strive to appear rational at all times? Maybe the most rational thing is for workers to always stick together.
- turtledove 4y agoBetter to say, "I don't fully understand your concerns, but I support you" than be a crab in a bucket pulling all the other crabs down. Someday you'll have concerns about your job and you'll wish tech workers stood by you on the picket lines. I don't pretend to understand all the grievances of nurses, concrete pourers, or railyard workers, but when they say "this is a problem for us" I'm there in support.
- throwaway284534 4y agoIt’s just a fact: Anyone who has an easier life than my own is petty, and anyone that has it harder should be grateful that their life isn’t worse! (Sarcasm)
- anon2020dot00 4y agoWFH is not just an issue for those who are working in Apple. I work in a country where-in the combined commute time going back and forth to the office is 3 to 4 hours a day. It doesn't make sense to go back to the office for five days a week when we've been working productively during the pandemic already for two years.
- post_break 4y agoI don't make 6 figures lol. If I made 6 figures I'd pay someone to drive my ass to work and back.
- jsiepkes 4y ago> The time theft of traffic, costs of fuel and wear and tear on your car, the cost of lunch if you don't pack a lunch. I'm all for remote work but calling it "time theft" feels a bit weird. You knew these things were a requirement when you signed your contract, right? If you didn't want these things then why didn't you either made a point of them in contract negotiations or simply went to a company that allowed remote work from the start?
- KerrAvon 4y ago> You knew these things were a requirement when you signed your contract, right This is not entirely fair. Pre-pandemic, remote work was much more difficult to find.
- newsclues 4y agoNot impossible, so pre-pandemic it was too hard to prevent the egregious time theft you complain about?
- earthnail 4y agoTrue, but in this example, the pandemic provided an effective increase in pay to the employee while catering less for the needs of the employer. From an employer's perspective, the fair thing would be to either have the employee end their temporary privileges when the pandemic is over (i.e. return to the office), or "meet in the middle" and propose a salary cut to the employee. I'm not saying this is how employers should react, but I found the arguments presented here just really one-sided and wanted to show where such a line of arguments lead. I think reality is a bit more complex; the employer can turn this into an upside as well by saving expenses for office space, and possibly benefitting from the increased productivity of people who are more productive at home. And I think it's reasonable that employees ask their employers to look into these upsides.
- LosWochosWeek 4y agoIt feels just as weird as calling things daylight robbery, i.e. not at all.
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- randomsearch 4y agoFair point for some people. Something I don’t see on HN is how the ideal wfh works for people who can’t afford a study. What if you live with your parents and share with a sibling? This might not be the case for established six figure programmers in the states. But there are lots of people with less money who might value having a separate space to work. Might even be the silent majority outside of highly paid developers.
- uberduper 4y agoIf only employers provided a space dedicated to working?
- Apocryphon 4y agoCorrect, they can and should provide funds so that employees can rent out coworking spaces that are located near where they live, as opposed to commuting far to the physical office.
- randomsearch 4y agoI like this idea. If I already have a home office, so I get paid this extra fund too? Or does my coworker only get it because he doesn’t have a home office?
- Apocryphon 4y agoMaybe everyone gets paid it because teams might want to use the WeWork for local in-person collaboration rather than meeting at HQ, if it's logistically easier. Some team members might have home offices but others do not.
- uberduper 4y agoThey _do_ provide funds for this. Whether or not you use those funds to pay for a coworking space is your choice.
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