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Is it really hard to imagine that it's easier to get to the office as an able bodied 22 year old than as a 45 year old wheelchair user? Or a 31 year old single

Is it really hard to imagine that it's easier to get to the office as an able bodied 22 year old than as a 45 year old wheelchair user? Or a 31 year old single parent?

PabloRobles 5y ago
No, but any physically impaired person will have a disadvantage in any physical environment. You cannot always lower the baseline to allow all persons to do the same in the same conditions. By this reasoning, we should also close all physical stores, since wheelchair users have more difficulties to buy bread in person. If for the majority it is easier to go in person to buy bread, I think a better compromise is to adapt the shop to as many people as possible, while accepting that access will be still more difficult for some.
- adamsmith143 5y ago
  You understand the ADA exists and does almost exactly what you are implying right? Public places are forced to comply with ADA regulations
imgabe 5y ago
Is it really hard to imagine that it’s easier to afford a comfortable vehicle to commute in, not to mention housing with a shorter commute, as a 45 year old senior manager than as a 22 year old just starting out with significant college debt?
- turtledove 5y ago
  Software engineering salaries start at six figures with signing bonuses in the tens of thousands. 22 years are buying houses and cars when they land at Apple.
  - imgabe 5y ago
    And those salaries get lower as they advance in their careers? Or do they go up? If the more senior people get paid even more, how does this contribute to making the workforce skew younger? Have you considered that there are jobs besides software engineering at Apple? And those jobs might also have 22 year olds working at them? Is the entry level marketing assistant getting six figures and stock options too?
    - PabloRobles 5y ago
      Well, senior people earn more and have an easier life. This is not necessarily bad. Young people don't need to have an easy life, just a fair one, with equal opportunities to those ones that came before them and the ones that are among them.
randomsearch 5y ago
Or wfh as a poorer individual with a cramped house shared by multiple occupants, low pay that doesn’t cover the increase in electricity usage etc. Works both ways.
- adamsmith143 5y ago
  >Or wfh as a poorer individual with a cramped house shared by multiple occupants, low pay that doesn’t cover the increase in electricity usage etc. Presumably we are talking about Engineers at Apple so low pay doesn't seem relevant?

Is it really hard to imagine that it's easier to get to the office as an able bodied 22 year old than as a 45 year old wheelchair user? Or a 31 year old single parent?

PabloRobles 5y ago

No, but any physically impaired person will have a disadvantage in any physical environment. You cannot always lower the baseline to allow all persons to do the same in the same conditions. By this reasoning, we should also close all physical stores, since wheelchair users have more difficulties to buy bread in person. If for the majority it is easier to go in person to buy bread, I think a better compromise is to adapt the shop to as many people as possible, while accepting that access will be still more difficult for some.

adamsmith143 5y ago
You understand the ADA exists and does almost exactly what you are implying right? Public places are forced to comply with ADA regulations

imgabe 5y ago

Is it really hard to imagine that it’s easier to afford a comfortable vehicle to commute in, not to mention housing with a shorter commute, as a 45 year old senior manager than as a 22 year old just starting out with significant college debt?

turtledove 5y ago
Software engineering salaries start at six figures with signing bonuses in the tens of thousands. 22 years are buying houses and cars when they land at Apple.
- imgabe 5y ago
  And those salaries get lower as they advance in their careers? Or do they go up? If the more senior people get paid even more, how does this contribute to making the workforce skew younger? Have you considered that there are jobs besides software engineering at Apple? And those jobs might also have 22 year olds working at them? Is the entry level marketing assistant getting six figures and stock options too?
  - PabloRobles 5y ago
    Well, senior people earn more and have an easier life. This is not necessarily bad. Young people don't need to have an easy life, just a fair one, with equal opportunities to those ones that came before them and the ones that are among them.

randomsearch 5y ago

Or wfh as a poorer individual with a cramped house shared by multiple occupants, low pay that doesn’t cover the increase in electricity usage etc. Works both ways.

adamsmith143 5y ago
>Or wfh as a poorer individual with a cramped house shared by multiple occupants, low pay that doesn’t cover the increase in electricity usage etc. Presumably we are talking about Engineers at Apple so low pay doesn't seem relevant?