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The sad truth is that if you're only going to buy from ethical companies, you are probably SOL, especially when it comes to mobile devices. We all have our diff

The sad truth is that if you're only going to buy from ethical companies, you are probably SOL, especially when it comes to mobile devices. We all have our different lines in the sand. It's not possible to ethically consume. Cell phones all use cobalt, which is mined by hand exposing its miners (many of whom are children) to radiation, and nobody votes with their wallet against that. I'm not saying it's right, just making a point that we all trade ethics for convenience when it suits us. Onyx makes a product that just doesn't exist elsewhere, and there aren't much better alternatives for affordable e-ink. You could always jailbreak your kindle if you somehow think that Amazon is a more ethical company.

yesbabyyes 5y ago
> Cell phones all use cobalt, which is mined by hand exposing its miners (many of whom are children) to radiation, and nobody votes with their wallet against that. Fairphone users do. We may be a small subset, but we're here, and I hope by showing a possible alternative supply chain we can show larger manufacturers that alternatives exist. Posted from my Fairphone 4 https://www.fairphone.com/ https://www.fairphone.com/
- netizen-936824 5y ago
  Too bad fairphone isn't available for US networks. I wanted to buy one but they don't make it feasible
  - yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
    https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/US/fairphone-4 https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/US/fairphone-4 seems to claim that it should work; am I misreading that? (I would also very much like to know this before I consider buying one)
    - netizen-936824 5y ago
      It does appear to work on some select US bands, like the 3 when I checked. There's also the problem of actually purchasing one, the fairphone website only ships to EU
- aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
  As soon as "Fairphone" doesn't mean "insecure Lineage fork phone with no Verified Boot", I'll buy 4.
yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
So what, because we can't yet be perfect on every axis we should just give up? Yes, limiting yourself to products that behave ethically towards the user reduces one's options, but not to zero; in this space, Kobo is probably best right now until the PineNote is ready.

yesbabyyes 5y ago

> Cell phones all use cobalt, which is mined by hand exposing its miners (many of whom are children) to radiation, and nobody votes with their wallet against that. Fairphone users do. We may be a small subset, but we're here, and I hope by showing a possible alternative supply chain we can show larger manufacturers that alternatives exist. Posted from my Fairphone 4 https://www.fairphone.com/ https://www.fairphone.com/

netizen-936824 5y ago
Too bad fairphone isn't available for US networks. I wanted to buy one but they don't make it feasible
- yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago
  https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/US/fairphone-4 https://www.kimovil.com/en/frequency-checker/US/fairphone-4 seems to claim that it should work; am I misreading that? (I would also very much like to know this before I consider buying one)
  - netizen-936824 5y ago
    It does appear to work on some select US bands, like the 3 when I checked. There's also the problem of actually purchasing one, the fairphone website only ships to EU
aaaaaaaaata 5y ago
As soon as "Fairphone" doesn't mean "insecure Lineage fork phone with no Verified Boot", I'll buy 4.

yjftsjthsd-h 5y ago

So what, because we can't yet be perfect on every axis we should just give up? Yes, limiting yourself to products that behave ethically towards the user reduces one's options, but not to zero; in this space, Kobo is probably best right now until the PineNote is ready.