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How? Honest question, this is the first I've heard of that.

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npongratz 5y ago
Not primary source, but includes link to source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_Boox#GPL_Compliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_Boox#GPL_Compliance
- robinsoh 5y ago
  Onyx's CEO seems to be claiming that they're GPL compliant at around 4:50 in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Q5hXGfZPo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Q5hXGfZPo
  - wfhordie 5y ago
    Did she point to an active link to the source code? Without that, it doesn’t mean anything.
    - robinsoh 5y ago
      If you're a product owner, why not ask her for it? I assume you already asked since you implied they are not GPL compliant. Why not share the data for that and make it public? I'm sure that would get carried by many media channels. You could even get an injunction against them selling products into Europe if you enforce it. Asking me, a non-Onyx owner, here on HN simply doesn't achieve anything.
      - wfhordie 5y ago
        I didn’t imply that they are not GPL compliant. I stated it directly. I’m not interested in onyx’s products because they are a shitty company. I don’t have the time, energy, resources or motivations to improve a shitty company. I do have the time, energy, resources and motivation to share this singular fact with others so they can make their own choice about which companies they support.
        robinsoh 5y ago
        > I didn’t imply that they are not GPL compliant. I stated it directly. That's good. It would be even better to show that they are GPL non-compliant by showing their response and confirming they're not willing to comply. As you said, you're not able to, and that's fine, I'm just saying it would be even better if you could. > I do have the time, energy, resources and motivation to share this singular fact with others so they can make their own choice about which companies they support. That's fine.
        chaostheory 5y ago
        The burden of proof is on Onyx, and not some random commenter who mentioned that there's no proof that they're GPL compliant. No one can seem to find a link to the source code. Maybe Onyx should make it easier to find?
        robinsoh 5y ago
        > The burden of proof is on Onyx, and not some random commenter who mentioned that there's no proof that they're GPL compliant. I agree with you that Onyx is likely in violation of the GPL. That said, the way I'm used to things is; the person who alleges a crime is committed is the one that has to show evidence. Onyx doesn't have to prove they're innocent. The prosecution has to prove they're guilty. So if we want to see Onyx punished, then we need to find someone who owns an Onyx that has asked Onyx to comply with the GPL and provide source, and showing that they refused to do so. At that point, they would immediately be non-compliant and thus susceptible to many injunctions, meaning their products could be stopped at the border. Pretty sure they'd pay attention to that.
        wfhordie 5y ago
        Here ya go. Asked and answered. http://bbs.onyx-international.com/t/install-linux-or-alternate-os-and-gpl2-kernel-source/698/5 http://bbs.onyx-international.com/t/install-linux-or-alterna...
  - tadfisher 5y ago
    Onyx's customer support stating they cannot supply source code: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hl09g7/onyx_boox_chinese_company_will_not_share_their/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hl09g7/onyx_boox_chi... https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/hsn7kx/onyx_using_recent_antichina_movement_as_excuse_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/hsn7kx/onyx_usin...

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Not primary source, but includes link to source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_Boox#GPL_Compliance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Onyx_Boox#GPL_Compliance

robinsoh 5y ago
Onyx's CEO seems to be claiming that they're GPL compliant at around 4:50 in this video. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Q5hXGfZPo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H2Q5hXGfZPo
- wfhordie 5y ago
  Did she point to an active link to the source code? Without that, it doesn’t mean anything.
  - robinsoh 5y ago
    If you're a product owner, why not ask her for it? I assume you already asked since you implied they are not GPL compliant. Why not share the data for that and make it public? I'm sure that would get carried by many media channels. You could even get an injunction against them selling products into Europe if you enforce it. Asking me, a non-Onyx owner, here on HN simply doesn't achieve anything.
    - wfhordie 5y ago
      I didn’t imply that they are not GPL compliant. I stated it directly. I’m not interested in onyx’s products because they are a shitty company. I don’t have the time, energy, resources or motivations to improve a shitty company. I do have the time, energy, resources and motivation to share this singular fact with others so they can make their own choice about which companies they support.
      - robinsoh 5y ago
        > I didn’t imply that they are not GPL compliant. I stated it directly. That's good. It would be even better to show that they are GPL non-compliant by showing their response and confirming they're not willing to comply. As you said, you're not able to, and that's fine, I'm just saying it would be even better if you could. > I do have the time, energy, resources and motivation to share this singular fact with others so they can make their own choice about which companies they support. That's fine.
        chaostheory 5y ago
        The burden of proof is on Onyx, and not some random commenter who mentioned that there's no proof that they're GPL compliant. No one can seem to find a link to the source code. Maybe Onyx should make it easier to find?
        robinsoh 5y ago
        > The burden of proof is on Onyx, and not some random commenter who mentioned that there's no proof that they're GPL compliant. I agree with you that Onyx is likely in violation of the GPL. That said, the way I'm used to things is; the person who alleges a crime is committed is the one that has to show evidence. Onyx doesn't have to prove they're innocent. The prosecution has to prove they're guilty. So if we want to see Onyx punished, then we need to find someone who owns an Onyx that has asked Onyx to comply with the GPL and provide source, and showing that they refused to do so. At that point, they would immediately be non-compliant and thus susceptible to many injunctions, meaning their products could be stopped at the border. Pretty sure they'd pay attention to that.
        wfhordie 5y ago
        Here ya go. Asked and answered. http://bbs.onyx-international.com/t/install-linux-or-alternate-os-and-gpl2-kernel-source/698/5 http://bbs.onyx-international.com/t/install-linux-or-alterna...
- tadfisher 5y ago
  Onyx's customer support stating they cannot supply source code: https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hl09g7/onyx_boox_chinese_company_will_not_share_their/ https://www.reddit.com/r/linux/comments/hl09g7/onyx_boox_chi... https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/hsn7kx/onyx_using_recent_antichina_movement_as_excuse_to/ https://www.reddit.com/r/Onyx_Boox/comments/hsn7kx/onyx_usin...