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So it's not ok for him to care about people who x but it's ok for you to care about people who y? where x = like odd dice and y = makes fun about not furth

So it's not ok for him to care about people who x but it's ok for you to care about people who y? where x = like odd dice and y = makes fun about not further specified people liking odd dice Serious question - what's the difference?

Ensorceled 4y ago
> Serious question - what's the difference? One is liking something that harms no one. The other is liking making fun of people who are harming no one, thus, to a minor extent, harming them. It's a pretty large difference to be completely blind to.
- blagie 4y ago
  Indeed. I'm not sure it's harming them to a minor extent. Getting picked on harms people to a large extent (especially kids). There's two options: 1) You did something really dumb, and now you're internet-famous for having done something really dumb. I care about this even if it was something genuinely bad. I'd like that to be handled with a justice system and not a mob justice system. 2) You do something a lot of people find obnoxious. You're really into some obscure sci-fi show, obsessively like Bulgarian folk music, only wear purple clothing, want Hello Kitty on all of your merchandise, or hold some non-mainstream political view. No one is going to individually ruin your life over it, but collectively, everyone shames you a little bit. That can be super-damaging too. I think we should be tolerant of most things that don't harm other people (the same goes geopolitically; if a foreign culture has different views on government / gender / religion / etc., we don't need to fix them). I don't think we should be tolerant of bullying (e.g. another country invading their neighbor). There's also a big difference between condemning people and things. My comment was that I hate a page and forum. I can do that without hate or condemning the person who made the page or the users of those forums. A person isn't defined by one dumb action. The linked page goes out of their to be mean to individuals who buy dice like those, or design them. I would have no problem with a product review page which said "These are bad dice." Dice (and web pages) aren't sentient beings.
  - Ensorceled 4y ago
    I agree with you in general, but the mockery in this article is pretty undirected and mild. If you actually said this at a gaming table where a new and, especially immature, player was using the dice in question; then this applies in spades.
- _Algernon_ 4y ago
  If you don't tolerate this level of being made fun of, you should probably stay in your moms basement. Calling the post harmful to any degree, is disrespectful of people actually experiencing harm.
  - Ensorceled 4y ago
    Bullies always fall back to “toughen up” when called out for their bullying.
    - _Algernon_ 4y ago
      A satirical blog post is bullying now?
Chris2048 4y ago
The article doesn't care about people who like odd dice, it's making fun of them. I'm not sure what y means, but making fun of people for their hobby doesn't itself sound like a hobby, or else you have the tolerance paradox.
kayodelycaon 4y ago
There's a massive difference between talking about a thing you don't like verses trashing people who like a thing you don't like. To sum it up in a meme: Let people enjoy things. Sportballs is silly? Sure. Compare it to the gladiatorial games in ancient Rome? Sure. Calling people who like American football dumb? Not okay. Watching football is as dumb as playing D&D, fixing cars, listening to music(1), etc. People get invested in things they like and can get just as "nerdy" about it as any programmer into designing programming languages. 1: I will make an exception for bagpipes. Pretty sure they were *designed* to be offensive. Which is why I get so much joy listening to them. ;)

Ensorceled 4y ago

> Serious question - what's the difference? One is liking something that harms no one. The other is liking making fun of people who are harming no one, thus, to a minor extent, harming them. It's a pretty large difference to be completely blind to.

blagie 4y ago
Indeed. I'm not sure it's harming them to a minor extent. Getting picked on harms people to a large extent (especially kids). There's two options: 1) You did something really dumb, and now you're internet-famous for having done something really dumb. I care about this even if it was something genuinely bad. I'd like that to be handled with a justice system and not a mob justice system. 2) You do something a lot of people find obnoxious. You're really into some obscure sci-fi show, obsessively like Bulgarian folk music, only wear purple clothing, want Hello Kitty on all of your merchandise, or hold some non-mainstream political view. No one is going to individually ruin your life over it, but collectively, everyone shames you a little bit. That can be super-damaging too. I think we should be tolerant of most things that don't harm other people (the same goes geopolitically; if a foreign culture has different views on government / gender / religion / etc., we don't need to fix them). I don't think we should be tolerant of bullying (e.g. another country invading their neighbor). There's also a big difference between condemning people and things. My comment was that I hate a page and forum. I can do that without hate or condemning the person who made the page or the users of those forums. A person isn't defined by one dumb action. The linked page goes out of their to be mean to individuals who buy dice like those, or design them. I would have no problem with a product review page which said "These are bad dice." Dice (and web pages) aren't sentient beings.
- Ensorceled 4y ago
  I agree with you in general, but the mockery in this article is pretty undirected and mild. If you actually said this at a gaming table where a new and, especially immature, player was using the dice in question; then this applies in spades.
_Algernon_ 4y ago
If you don't tolerate this level of being made fun of, you should probably stay in your moms basement. Calling the post harmful to any degree, is disrespectful of people actually experiencing harm.
- Ensorceled 4y ago
  Bullies always fall back to “toughen up” when called out for their bullying.
  - _Algernon_ 4y ago
    A satirical blog post is bullying now?

Chris2048 4y ago

The article doesn't care about people who like odd dice, it's making fun of them. I'm not sure what y means, but making fun of people for their hobby doesn't itself sound like a hobby, or else you have the tolerance paradox.

kayodelycaon 4y ago

There's a massive difference between talking about a thing you don't like verses trashing people who like a thing you don't like. To sum it up in a meme: Let people enjoy things. Sportballs is silly? Sure. Compare it to the gladiatorial games in ancient Rome? Sure. Calling people who like American football dumb? Not okay. Watching football is as dumb as playing D&D, fixing cars, listening to music(1), etc. People get invested in things they like and can get just as "nerdy" about it as any programmer into designing programming languages. 1: I will make an exception for bagpipes. Pretty sure they were *designed* to be offensive. Which is why I get so much joy listening to them. ;)