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The title & subtitle don't seem to match the content. The body of the article indicates the author simply doesn't want steelmanning to provide a negative incen
by ineedasername 5y ago
The title & subtitle don't seem to match the content.
The body of the article indicates the author simply doesn't want steelmanning to provide a negative incentive to present a more complete argument even if parts of it are not as strong as others. It seems reasonable that this should be avoided, but also an extremely small concern:
If people are streelmannig you, then pretty much by definition they are not going to dismiss your entire argument just because a part of it isn't as strong. If premises $A and $B are sufficient to support claim $F then presenting weaker premises $C and $D take away nothing at all while still adding some small value.
I just don't see how this is at all an issue for a group of people already engaging in productive discussion techniques. And if a reader/audience is not, then they're not going to steel man you to begin with, so it's a moot issue.
The examples provided where an argumenter "paints themselves into a corner" are example where the argumenter did a poor job of trying to make a counter claim, in one case engaging in their own strawman argument. That's on them, not the principle of charity.
And what's the alternative? The author says "take a step backward, look at what your saying to see if it makes sense." Which seems trivially obvious to the point of not really needing to be stated
It applies as a general rule.
It just seems like there's really not much of an issue here, and could instead be summed up with a single statement: Don't allow steelmanning to don't descend into commiting fallacies of your own.
- AzzieElbab 5y agoI am gonna steelsraw this and make a point that the author is simply arguing for benefits of intolerance when dogmas misalign which maybe good or bad and depends entirely on one’s commitment to her dogmas
- ineedasername 5y agoThat's not unreasonable, but the author's justification for this is a cautiounary tale of self-censoring one's own arguments or descending into fallacies in the process. Neither of these are specifically or inherently the product of steelmanning. Poor arguments can occur while using any discussion technique, and I don't see anything special about the principle of charity that requires people to be warned off of it in any way. "Don't make poor arguments while trying to understand the counter claim" seems perfectly sufficient without going to these lengths & recommend skepticism of steelmanning in general.