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Apologies, but you are completely detached from political reality. Right now, multiple states have passed legislation banning all abortion, period, no exception

Apologies, but you are completely detached from political reality. Right now, multiple states have passed legislation banning all abortion, period, no exceptions. Texas’s legislation that SCOTUS refused to halt has made it legally perilous to move out of state to get an abortion. And do you thinkt he cons on the SCOTUS are satisfied with this? They’ll be glad to ban abortion nationwide completely. They’re not gonna leave it to the states.

remarkEon 4y ago
>And do you thinkt he cons on the SCOTUS are satisfied with this? They’ll be glad to ban abortion nationwide completely. Did you read what Alito wrote? He's explicitly stating he doesn't want SCOTUS ruling on the legality of abortion. How, precisely, would SCOTUS "ban abortion" in this scenario?
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  They'll be glad to uphold a Federal ban passed by an upcoming Republican Congress and White House.
  - remarkEon 4y ago
    And they'd just as likely uphold a Federal protection of abortion if an upcoming Democrat Congress and White House passed one. What's your point?
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      Why would you think this court makeup would uphold a Federal abortion protection? They largely won’t even uphold the VRA.
      - xyzzyz 4y ago
        How did this court makeup rule in the Bostock case?
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        This court didn’t, unless I missed some news about Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s miraculous resurrection.
        rayiner 4y ago
        Bostock was 6-3, with Gorsuch and Robert’s joining the majority. Even swapping RBG for Barret, Bostock still would have come out the same way. Also note that only Alito and Thomas wrote in criticism of Obergefell to concur in the denial of cert for the Kim Davis case. I know you think conservatives are just as results oriented as liberals, but that’s not true. No liberal Justice will ever go wobbly on a liberal social issue. It’s always a conservative justice that breaks the party line on cases like Bostock (O’Conner, Kennedy, Roberts, and now Gorsuch). Roe is uniquely at risk because it embraces the liberal notion of Supreme Court as national moral tribunal in its purest form. Even liberals struggle to defend the decision on its on merits. Tim Carney has collected an entire list of quotes from prominent liberal academics criticizing Roe https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/restoring-america/equality-not-elitism/there-is-no-valid-defense-of-roe-thats-why-that-side-resorts-to-threats https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/restori... > One of the most curious things about Roe is that, behind its own verbal smokescreen, the substantive judgment on which it rests is nowhere to be found.” That's liberal legal scholar Laurence Tribe. Decisions like Oberrgefell and Bostock are on far firmer legal footing.
rayiner 4y ago
> And do you thinkt he cons on the SCOTUS are satisfied with this? They’ll be glad to ban abortion nationwide completely. They’re not gonna leave it to the states. On what basis? Do you think they’ll make up a right to override state abortion laws the way Roe did?
- ceejayoz 4y ago
  What would stop a future Republican Congress / White House from banning it at the Federal level, and SCOTUS from upholding that?
  - ReptileMan 4y ago
    What will stop a future Democratic Congress from enshrining it at the Federal level and SCOTUS upholding that?
    - ceejayoz 4y ago
      You mean other than six conservative justices?
      - rayiner 4y ago
        You keep saying “conservative” but you don’t seem to understand the conservative position here. The right is split over abortion. What they’re united against is Roe, which is both egregious legal ju jitsu and enshrines a right extending to fetal viability that most Americans oppose. There are six votes to overturn Roe. There aren’t six votes to overturn a federal enactment that protects some level of abortion rights.
        ceejayoz 4y ago
        There are three Republican senators and zero representatives, as far as I can see, that espouse anything close to a pro-choice position. It has been a litmus test for their candidates for decades. I don’t see much evidence of what you’re asserting. 13 states have already pre-banned abortion, and another ten plan to when Roe falls. Doesn’t seem to be much of a split. https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/map-23-states-ban-abortion-post-roe-america-rcna27081 https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/map-23-states-ban-abor... Similarly, polling of what “most Americans oppose” says the opposite of what you assert. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/03/most-americans-say-supreme-court-should-uphold-roe-post-abc-poll-finds/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/03/most-amer...

remarkEon 4y ago

>And do you thinkt he cons on the SCOTUS are satisfied with this? They’ll be glad to ban abortion nationwide completely. Did you read what Alito wrote? He's explicitly stating he doesn't want SCOTUS ruling on the legality of abortion. How, precisely, would SCOTUS "ban abortion" in this scenario?

ceejayoz 4y ago
They'll be glad to uphold a Federal ban passed by an upcoming Republican Congress and White House.
- remarkEon 4y ago
  And they'd just as likely uphold a Federal protection of abortion if an upcoming Democrat Congress and White House passed one. What's your point?
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    Why would you think this court makeup would uphold a Federal abortion protection? They largely won’t even uphold the VRA.
    - xyzzyz 4y ago
      How did this court makeup rule in the Bostock case?
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        This court didn’t, unless I missed some news about Ruth Bader Ginsburg’s miraculous resurrection.
        rayiner 4y ago
        Bostock was 6-3, with Gorsuch and Robert’s joining the majority. Even swapping RBG for Barret, Bostock still would have come out the same way. Also note that only Alito and Thomas wrote in criticism of Obergefell to concur in the denial of cert for the Kim Davis case. I know you think conservatives are just as results oriented as liberals, but that’s not true. No liberal Justice will ever go wobbly on a liberal social issue. It’s always a conservative justice that breaks the party line on cases like Bostock (O’Conner, Kennedy, Roberts, and now Gorsuch). Roe is uniquely at risk because it embraces the liberal notion of Supreme Court as national moral tribunal in its purest form. Even liberals struggle to defend the decision on its on merits. Tim Carney has collected an entire list of quotes from prominent liberal academics criticizing Roe https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/restoring-america/equality-not-elitism/there-is-no-valid-defense-of-roe-thats-why-that-side-resorts-to-threats https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/restoring-america/restori... > One of the most curious things about Roe is that, behind its own verbal smokescreen, the substantive judgment on which it rests is nowhere to be found.” That's liberal legal scholar Laurence Tribe. Decisions like Oberrgefell and Bostock are on far firmer legal footing.

rayiner 4y ago

> And do you thinkt he cons on the SCOTUS are satisfied with this? They’ll be glad to ban abortion nationwide completely. They’re not gonna leave it to the states. On what basis? Do you think they’ll make up a right to override state abortion laws the way Roe did?

ceejayoz 4y ago
What would stop a future Republican Congress / White House from banning it at the Federal level, and SCOTUS from upholding that?
- ReptileMan 4y ago
  What will stop a future Democratic Congress from enshrining it at the Federal level and SCOTUS upholding that?
  - ceejayoz 4y ago
    You mean other than six conservative justices?
    - rayiner 4y ago
      You keep saying “conservative” but you don’t seem to understand the conservative position here. The right is split over abortion. What they’re united against is Roe, which is both egregious legal ju jitsu and enshrines a right extending to fetal viability that most Americans oppose. There are six votes to overturn Roe. There aren’t six votes to overturn a federal enactment that protects some level of abortion rights.
      - ceejayoz 4y ago
        There are three Republican senators and zero representatives, as far as I can see, that espouse anything close to a pro-choice position. It has been a litmus test for their candidates for decades. I don’t see much evidence of what you’re asserting. 13 states have already pre-banned abortion, and another ten plan to when Roe falls. Doesn’t seem to be much of a split. https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/map-23-states-ban-abortion-post-roe-america-rcna27081 https://www.nbcnews.com/data-graphics/map-23-states-ban-abor... Similarly, polling of what “most Americans oppose” says the opposite of what you assert. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/03/most-americans-say-supreme-court-should-uphold-roe-post-abc-poll-finds/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/03/most-amer...