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This is why I adamantly am against CSAM and will never buy another apple product as long as I live. Once the slow grinding wheels of government start moving ag

This is why I adamantly am against CSAM and will never buy another apple product as long as I live. Once the slow grinding wheels of government start moving against you there is no stopping it. You often find your entire life at a halt. Call it what you want but I"m not carrying a govt fastpass to jail in my pocket.

School-Cotton 5y ago
For what it's worth, Apple seems to have completely cancelled that project in response to public outcry.
- kergonath 5y ago
  You can still count on people to use it as an argument 5 years from now.
  - DocTomoe 5y ago
    Given the potentially destructive nature of this policy, even suggesting it is a major red flag and it's not unreasonable to take an absolutist approach to the problem. Turns out if you pander to wannabe-autocrats, people will remember.
  - citizenpaul 4y ago
    You really don't understand the seriousness. The law enforcement job is to find a reason to arrest you, HN posters seem to have a grave misunderstanding of how police work. They will not use info to make you innocent "anything you say can and will be used against you" The courts job is to exonerate you not the police. Once the police start to zero in on you every incentive they have is to find a reason to bring you to court. Now you have to spend potentially thousands of dollars and a great deal of your time to defend yourself even if the case is "open and shut". Anything that makes the process "push button" is terrible for a law abiding citizen and potentially life destroying. This is the difference between tyranny and due process. CSAM Takes away due process by automating the process of guilt. It doesn't matter if its well intentioned.
- fxtentacle 5y ago
  Didn't they already roll it out in the UK anyway? https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/apple-csam-child-safety-sexual-abuse-material-uk-privacy https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/apple-csam-child-...
null_object 5y ago
> why I adamantly am against CSAM and will never buy another apple product as long as I live. I'm getting used to seeing anti-Apple rants on HN based on very flimsy connections, but this one is egregious: the man's wrongful conviction, the struggle to exonerate himself, and his final justification and liberty have nothing to do with Apple or any 'mistaken' technological evidence, but actually the reverse. If he'd been carrying a device (back in 1990) that could have located him away from the scene of a crime, then it would have been a help and not a hindrance to his case.
- citizenpaul 5y ago
  You really don't know how government and police work. Its sad how many posters on HN have some unrealistic belief in a benevolent government. It probably speaks to how few posters here have had any real world experience dealing with governments beyond the daily procedural stuff like ID's and tax payments.
plutonorm 5y ago
lay off the weed

School-Cotton 5y ago

For what it's worth, Apple seems to have completely cancelled that project in response to public outcry.

kergonath 5y ago
You can still count on people to use it as an argument 5 years from now.
- DocTomoe 5y ago
  Given the potentially destructive nature of this policy, even suggesting it is a major red flag and it's not unreasonable to take an absolutist approach to the problem. Turns out if you pander to wannabe-autocrats, people will remember.
- citizenpaul 4y ago
  You really don't understand the seriousness. The law enforcement job is to find a reason to arrest you, HN posters seem to have a grave misunderstanding of how police work. They will not use info to make you innocent "anything you say can and will be used against you" The courts job is to exonerate you not the police. Once the police start to zero in on you every incentive they have is to find a reason to bring you to court. Now you have to spend potentially thousands of dollars and a great deal of your time to defend yourself even if the case is "open and shut". Anything that makes the process "push button" is terrible for a law abiding citizen and potentially life destroying. This is the difference between tyranny and due process. CSAM Takes away due process by automating the process of guilt. It doesn't matter if its well intentioned.
fxtentacle 5y ago
Didn't they already roll it out in the UK anyway? https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/apple-csam-child-safety-sexual-abuse-material-uk-privacy https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/apple-csam-child-...

null_object 5y ago

> why I adamantly am against CSAM and will never buy another apple product as long as I live. I'm getting used to seeing anti-Apple rants on HN based on very flimsy connections, but this one is egregious: the man's wrongful conviction, the struggle to exonerate himself, and his final justification and liberty have nothing to do with Apple or any 'mistaken' technological evidence, but actually the reverse. If he'd been carrying a device (back in 1990) that could have located him away from the scene of a crime, then it would have been a help and not a hindrance to his case.

citizenpaul 5y ago
You really don't know how government and police work. Its sad how many posters on HN have some unrealistic belief in a benevolent government. It probably speaks to how few posters here have had any real world experience dealing with governments beyond the daily procedural stuff like ID's and tax payments.

plutonorm 5y ago

lay off the weed