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Abortions aren't suddenly outlawed nation wide. This just says it's not the purview of the federal government. It's an issue for states to decide for themselve

Abortions aren't suddenly outlawed nation wide. This just says it's not the purview of the federal government. It's an issue for states to decide for themselves.

autoexec 4y ago
Many states have already decided they don't care how many women are forced to give birth to their rapists children or die due to medical problems surrounding their pregnancy. Even before this ruling there are places where women's lives have been endangered because accessible clinics were forced to close. No matter what state you are in, being an American citizen should guarantee you certain rights. Not being forced to give birth, and having access to healthcare should be among those rights. It's terrible that we've moved farther from that as a nation.
- cato_the_elder 4y ago
  > Many states have already decided they don't care how many women are forced to give birth to their rapists children or die due to medical problems surrounding their pregnancy. I sympathize with the concern about dignity of rape victims, but the second part of your assertion is incorrect: "At present, all states allow the procedure to preserve the life and health of the mother". [1] (That includes even the Texas law [2]) [1]: https://www.parents.com/pregnancy/abortion-laws-by-state-these-are-your-right/ https://www.parents.com/pregnancy/abortion-laws-by-state-the... [2]: "The act contains exceptions in the case of medical emergency, such as if the mother is at risk of death or severe irreversible bodily harm." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Heartbeat_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Heartbeat_Act)
  - autoexec 4y ago
    Not all laws have included such provisions (see for example BMJ 2003;327:1009 which was passed and signed by Bush), and those that do are so vague that it does things like leave doctors at great risk of getting their lives ruined for doing what they think is right for their patient or would make procedures that are medically necessary to save the life of the mother illegal any time it wasn't also an active and immediate emergency (such as in this bill: https://legiscan.com/MS/text/SB2116/id/1846191 https://legiscan.com/MS/text/SB2116/id/1846191) It turns out when lawmakers have even bothered at all to play lip service to protecting the lives of pregnant women they still haven't done a very good job actually making sure they are protected.
- TrispusAttucks 4y ago
  I don't think that is true. Which states?
  - autoexec 4y ago
    You can go looking at all the laws states have tried to pass over the years that didn't protect the life of the mother or would have forced her to give birth to her rapist's child. You can also look at all the laws which would have made doctors risk their freedom and security for performing a medical procedure that they felt was needed. You could do that, but I recommend saving some time and just looking at the states which have closed clinics and forced out providers: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/health/six-states-with-1-abortion-clinic-map-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/health/six-states-with-1-abor... How many women do you think exist in those states who needed help, but didn't live within driving distance to the one provider in the state and can't afford to take several days off work to travel to get one in another. How many were too busy dying to start booking plane tickets and hotel rooms so they can get the emergency procedure done? I think some states have been making their position on this pretty clear.
    - ethics13 4y ago
      You didn't answer the question that was posed to you in regards to your original statement.
      - autoexec 4y ago
        He asked which states "don't care how many women are forced to give birth to their rapists children or die due to medical problems surrounding their pregnancy." In return I not only told him how to identify other, but gave him a list of six which have pressured providers to close to the point where currently only one remains in the entire state. States who care about how many women can't get access to a life saving abortion don't try to make it impossible for women to get the care they need.

Abortions aren't suddenly outlawed nation wide. This just says it's not the purview of the federal government. It's an issue for states to decide for themselves.

autoexec 4y ago

Many states have already decided they don't care how many women are forced to give birth to their rapists children or die due to medical problems surrounding their pregnancy. Even before this ruling there are places where women's lives have been endangered because accessible clinics were forced to close. No matter what state you are in, being an American citizen should guarantee you certain rights. Not being forced to give birth, and having access to healthcare should be among those rights. It's terrible that we've moved farther from that as a nation.

cato_the_elder 4y ago
> Many states have already decided they don't care how many women are forced to give birth to their rapists children or die due to medical problems surrounding their pregnancy. I sympathize with the concern about dignity of rape victims, but the second part of your assertion is incorrect: "At present, all states allow the procedure to preserve the life and health of the mother". [1] (That includes even the Texas law [2]) [1]: https://www.parents.com/pregnancy/abortion-laws-by-state-these-are-your-right/ https://www.parents.com/pregnancy/abortion-laws-by-state-the... [2]: "The act contains exceptions in the case of medical emergency, such as if the mother is at risk of death or severe irreversible bodily harm." (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Heartbeat_Act https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_Heartbeat_Act)
- autoexec 4y ago
  Not all laws have included such provisions (see for example BMJ 2003;327:1009 which was passed and signed by Bush), and those that do are so vague that it does things like leave doctors at great risk of getting their lives ruined for doing what they think is right for their patient or would make procedures that are medically necessary to save the life of the mother illegal any time it wasn't also an active and immediate emergency (such as in this bill: https://legiscan.com/MS/text/SB2116/id/1846191 https://legiscan.com/MS/text/SB2116/id/1846191) It turns out when lawmakers have even bothered at all to play lip service to protecting the lives of pregnant women they still haven't done a very good job actually making sure they are protected.
TrispusAttucks 4y ago
I don't think that is true. Which states?
- autoexec 4y ago
  You can go looking at all the laws states have tried to pass over the years that didn't protect the life of the mother or would have forced her to give birth to her rapist's child. You can also look at all the laws which would have made doctors risk their freedom and security for performing a medical procedure that they felt was needed. You could do that, but I recommend saving some time and just looking at the states which have closed clinics and forced out providers: https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/health/six-states-with-1-abortion-clinic-map-trnd/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2019/05/29/health/six-states-with-1-abor... How many women do you think exist in those states who needed help, but didn't live within driving distance to the one provider in the state and can't afford to take several days off work to travel to get one in another. How many were too busy dying to start booking plane tickets and hotel rooms so they can get the emergency procedure done? I think some states have been making their position on this pretty clear.
  - ethics13 4y ago
    You didn't answer the question that was posed to you in regards to your original statement.
    - autoexec 4y ago
      He asked which states "don't care how many women are forced to give birth to their rapists children or die due to medical problems surrounding their pregnancy." In return I not only told him how to identify other, but gave him a list of six which have pressured providers to close to the point where currently only one remains in the entire state. States who care about how many women can't get access to a life saving abortion don't try to make it impossible for women to get the care they need.