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If you're a man, you have no right to have an opinion about abortion. Only a woman can truly understand what it means to be pregnant, to give birth, to bring a

If you're a man, you have no right to have an opinion about abortion. Only a woman can truly understand what it means to be pregnant, to give birth, to bring a new life into being. A man might have a possessive, proprietary attitude about it, but it's a removed and intellectual understanding at best. A woman understands it from her gut, from her body. To hear men pontificating about how women should behave is ludicrous, and sad.

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cato_the_elder 5y ago
> If you're a man, you have no right to have an opinion about abortion. That's an egregious argument. It's like saying if you are not a Ukrainian (or Russian), you don't get to have an opinion about the conflict.
- version_five 5y ago
  It's hard to interpret the root comment as anything but trolling here. Better to just ignore it
autoexec 5y ago
> If you're a man, you have no right to have an opinion about abortion. Yeah, no. The roles of men and women in reproduction are different, but that doesn't exclude either one from the conversation. The real issue is that before being born, the would-be child is literally feeding on the mother like a parasite. No one should be forced to endure that against their will. That needs to be a voluntary act of sacrifice on the part of the mother. I don't think we'll have a real solution to any part of the abortion debate until we have artificial wombs where we can remove the burden from the unwilling mother entirely. That still won't satisfy the religious extremists who will still rage against miscarriages and birth control and 'women doing things we don't like', but it would solve the problem of fathers who want their child to live while mothers refuse to carry it.
- em-bee 5y ago
  that situation should not exist. if the father wants a child that the mother does not then it was rape and the father should not get the child either.
  - 5678909787 5y ago
    That makes no sense at all. People can have consensual sex without wanting a child and they can change their mind about wanting a child after having consensual sex. I'm curious if you apply the same argument when the mother wants a child and the father does not. What should happen to the child in that situation? The abortion debate should not have anything to do with whether a child will be born or not. The right to an abortion is part of the right to fully control your own body. That right should be absolute and inalienable unless waived voluntarily.
    - em-bee 5y ago
      if you made the decision to create a new life then you have to follow through with the consequences. if that's not what you wanted, you should have used protection. the problem with the abortion debate is that both sides are in extreme corners and neither side is willing to approach the other. the problem is also, trying to find a legal definition for the consensus. what about a woman that believes to be raped, but can't prove it? should she be allowed to abort? i believe yes. but we can only do that if we make abortion legal and the decision an entirely moral one. you can't legislate morality. with any legislation there will be corner cases with an unjust outcome. all we can do is create better conditions for pregnant women so that they may be more comfortable carrying a baby that they otherwise would not want.
    - em-bee 4y ago
      I'm curious if you apply the same argument when the mother wants a child and the father does not. What should happen to the child in that situation? if it was consensual then the case is the same. both parents are responsible for the child they conceived. there is no option to change their mind later. but if the father was raped, it gets more tricky. i haven't thought this through, but effectively the burden of whatever choice is made is carried by the mother, which means, if there is doubt then the mother should be allowed to keep the child because we should choose what has the least negative consequences for everyone involved. but if the father can prove that he was raped then the mother should loose the right to her child. the only remaining challenge is if the father was raped but neither wants the child. based on the above, abortion should not be allowed because the mother consented to get pregnant. the mother could of course claim that she was raped, but assuming she doesn't, then what? i don't know...

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cato_the_elder 5y ago

> If you're a man, you have no right to have an opinion about abortion. That's an egregious argument. It's like saying if you are not a Ukrainian (or Russian), you don't get to have an opinion about the conflict.

version_five 5y ago
It's hard to interpret the root comment as anything but trolling here. Better to just ignore it

autoexec 5y ago

> If you're a man, you have no right to have an opinion about abortion. Yeah, no. The roles of men and women in reproduction are different, but that doesn't exclude either one from the conversation. The real issue is that before being born, the would-be child is literally feeding on the mother like a parasite. No one should be forced to endure that against their will. That needs to be a voluntary act of sacrifice on the part of the mother. I don't think we'll have a real solution to any part of the abortion debate until we have artificial wombs where we can remove the burden from the unwilling mother entirely. That still won't satisfy the religious extremists who will still rage against miscarriages and birth control and 'women doing things we don't like', but it would solve the problem of fathers who want their child to live while mothers refuse to carry it.

em-bee 5y ago
that situation should not exist. if the father wants a child that the mother does not then it was rape and the father should not get the child either.
- 5678909787 5y ago
  That makes no sense at all. People can have consensual sex without wanting a child and they can change their mind about wanting a child after having consensual sex. I'm curious if you apply the same argument when the mother wants a child and the father does not. What should happen to the child in that situation? The abortion debate should not have anything to do with whether a child will be born or not. The right to an abortion is part of the right to fully control your own body. That right should be absolute and inalienable unless waived voluntarily.
  - em-bee 5y ago
    if you made the decision to create a new life then you have to follow through with the consequences. if that's not what you wanted, you should have used protection. the problem with the abortion debate is that both sides are in extreme corners and neither side is willing to approach the other. the problem is also, trying to find a legal definition for the consensus. what about a woman that believes to be raped, but can't prove it? should she be allowed to abort? i believe yes. but we can only do that if we make abortion legal and the decision an entirely moral one. you can't legislate morality. with any legislation there will be corner cases with an unjust outcome. all we can do is create better conditions for pregnant women so that they may be more comfortable carrying a baby that they otherwise would not want.
  - em-bee 4y ago
    I'm curious if you apply the same argument when the mother wants a child and the father does not. What should happen to the child in that situation? if it was consensual then the case is the same. both parents are responsible for the child they conceived. there is no option to change their mind later. but if the father was raped, it gets more tricky. i haven't thought this through, but effectively the burden of whatever choice is made is carried by the mother, which means, if there is doubt then the mother should be allowed to keep the child because we should choose what has the least negative consequences for everyone involved. but if the father can prove that he was raped then the mother should loose the right to her child. the only remaining challenge is if the father was raped but neither wants the child. based on the above, abortion should not be allowed because the mother consented to get pregnant. the mother could of course claim that she was raped, but assuming she doesn't, then what? i don't know...