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Not sure this makes much of a difference. With the hurdles put in place by many state legislatures, it's kind of been in "states rights" territory for some tim

Not sure this makes much of a difference. With the hurdles put in place by many state legislatures, it's kind of been in "states rights" territory for some time now.

autoexec 4y ago
Most of the those hurdles have been being shot down as unconstitutional until now. The loss of roe v wade could cause us to lose a lot of other rights too. Gay marriage may be next on the chopping block.
- georgia_peach 4y ago
  I don't have strong opinions about roe or gay marriage. I do have strong opinions against kritarchy. Right or wrong, I don't like the idea of the Yale law school sharia council overriding the will of the electorate. It may have worked for you in recent history, but as they say, "past performance is not indicative of future results."
  - ausbah 4y ago
    eh, there are things that shouldn't be up for debate just because a majority of people wish it to be so. the issue is "what is a right and what isn't"
    - georgia_peach 4y ago
      Elite lawyers may be cleverer than the peasants, but that does not make them righteous or just. As I've already written, just because the court had taken a leftward tack in the recent past does not guarantee that it will continue to do so. Left or right, it would be best not to have that much power in so few hands. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/07/469478098/the-supreme-court-ruling-that-led-to-70-000-forced-sterilizations https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/07/4694780...
      - ausbah 4y ago
        I'm not exactly advocating for the power SCOTUS has, there are a whole host of things like the case you pointed out. I speaking more in principle that "mob rule" doesn't end well for those not in the mob
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    - honkdaddy 4y ago
      What else shouldn't be up for debate despite going against the will of the majority?
  - peoplefromibiza 4y ago
    voters are in favour of both --- While public support for legal abortion has fluctuated some in two decades of polling, it has remained relatively stable over the past five years. Currently, 59% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 39% say it should be illegal in all or most cases. --- U.S. support for legal same-sex marriage continues to trend upward, now at 70% -- a new high in Gallup's trend since 1996. This latest figure marks an increase of 10 percentage points since 2015
    - cato_the_elder 4y ago
      Maybe, but that could change. Most people don't have strongly-held opinions on these things. The political decisions which allowed these precede the popular support.
    - georgia_peach 4y ago
      Great! Let's do away with bench legislation.

Not sure this makes much of a difference. With the hurdles put in place by many state legislatures, it's kind of been in "states rights" territory for some time now.

autoexec 4y ago

Most of the those hurdles have been being shot down as unconstitutional until now. The loss of roe v wade could cause us to lose a lot of other rights too. Gay marriage may be next on the chopping block.

georgia_peach 4y ago
I don't have strong opinions about roe or gay marriage. I do have strong opinions against kritarchy. Right or wrong, I don't like the idea of the Yale law school sharia council overriding the will of the electorate. It may have worked for you in recent history, but as they say, "past performance is not indicative of future results."
- ausbah 4y ago
  eh, there are things that shouldn't be up for debate just because a majority of people wish it to be so. the issue is "what is a right and what isn't"
  - georgia_peach 4y ago
    Elite lawyers may be cleverer than the peasants, but that does not make them righteous or just. As I've already written, just because the court had taken a leftward tack in the recent past does not guarantee that it will continue to do so. Left or right, it would be best not to have that much power in so few hands. https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/07/469478098/the-supreme-court-ruling-that-led-to-70-000-forced-sterilizations https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2016/03/07/4694780...
    - ausbah 4y ago
      I'm not exactly advocating for the power SCOTUS has, there are a whole host of things like the case you pointed out. I speaking more in principle that "mob rule" doesn't end well for those not in the mob
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  - honkdaddy 4y ago
    What else shouldn't be up for debate despite going against the will of the majority?
- peoplefromibiza 4y ago
  voters are in favour of both --- While public support for legal abortion has fluctuated some in two decades of polling, it has remained relatively stable over the past five years. Currently, 59% say abortion should be legal in all or most cases, while 39% say it should be illegal in all or most cases. --- U.S. support for legal same-sex marriage continues to trend upward, now at 70% -- a new high in Gallup's trend since 1996. This latest figure marks an increase of 10 percentage points since 2015
  - cato_the_elder 4y ago
    Maybe, but that could change. Most people don't have strongly-held opinions on these things. The political decisions which allowed these precede the popular support.
  - georgia_peach 4y ago
    Great! Let's do away with bench legislation.