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Prop 47 was a huge problem because it was combined with the fact that non-felony arrests are basically catch-and-release. Comparing it by dollar value to other

Prop 47 was a huge problem because it was combined with the fact that non-felony arrests are basically catch-and-release. Comparing it by dollar value to other states is pointless, because other states will charge people for misdemeanors.

inferiorhuman 5y ago
Catch and release? Misdemeanors in California (and most? other states) are crimes that can be punished by up to a year in jail. SFPD doesn't even bother making misdemeanor arrests anymore. Prop 47 isn't a problem and it's not even a symptom. We've tried the alt right approach and passed the most draconian three strikes law in the country. The result was a prison system that was so overcrowded we had to export prisoners to other states. That's not a tenable solution in the slightest. The (nonpartisan) state Legislative Analyst's Office published a comprehensive review of the consequences of Prop 36. Lock up all the undesirables works great until you run out of room to keep them warehoused. We ran out of space.
- polski-g 5y ago
  The solution to more criminals than cells is to build more cells. Not to let the criminals out.
- vinyl7 5y ago
  Still don't have a place for them, since they're all out on the streets
- BobbyJo 5y ago
  I don't see how you can say "Prop 47 isn't a problem and it's not even a symptom." and "SFPD doesn't even bother making misdemeanor arrests anymore" in the same paragraph like it's a coherent thought. It makes more things misdemeanors instead of felonies. Misdemeanors are unpunished. But it isn't a problem? I'm not saying it's the dominant factor. I'm not saying it's a big problem for the whole state. It definitely added to SF's long list of problems though.
- frumper 5y ago
  I'm sorry, but am I misunderstanding something or do you think the alt-right had the power in California to pass draconian laws on their own. These draconian laws were passed by the same people that run the state now.

inferiorhuman 5y ago

Catch and release? Misdemeanors in California (and most? other states) are crimes that can be punished by up to a year in jail. SFPD doesn't even bother making misdemeanor arrests anymore. Prop 47 isn't a problem and it's not even a symptom. We've tried the alt right approach and passed the most draconian three strikes law in the country. The result was a prison system that was so overcrowded we had to export prisoners to other states. That's not a tenable solution in the slightest. The (nonpartisan) state Legislative Analyst's Office published a comprehensive review of the consequences of Prop 36. Lock up all the undesirables works great until you run out of room to keep them warehoused. We ran out of space.

polski-g 5y ago
The solution to more criminals than cells is to build more cells. Not to let the criminals out.
vinyl7 5y ago
Still don't have a place for them, since they're all out on the streets
BobbyJo 5y ago
I don't see how you can say "Prop 47 isn't a problem and it's not even a symptom." and "SFPD doesn't even bother making misdemeanor arrests anymore" in the same paragraph like it's a coherent thought. It makes more things misdemeanors instead of felonies. Misdemeanors are unpunished. But it isn't a problem? I'm not saying it's the dominant factor. I'm not saying it's a big problem for the whole state. It definitely added to SF's long list of problems though.
frumper 5y ago
I'm sorry, but am I misunderstanding something or do you think the alt-right had the power in California to pass draconian laws on their own. These draconian laws were passed by the same people that run the state now.