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You've linked to an article that is very clearly written in bad faith because it dislikes decisions being taken by the Linux organisation, not because they are

by swores 5y ago

You've linked to an article that is very clearly written in bad faith because it dislikes decisions being taken by the Linux organisation, not because they are actually dumb enough to think that a 3.4% line item for "linux kernel development" means that's all they spend on linux. Urgh.

walterbell 5y ago
Could you recommend another article with a better breakdown of Linux spending by LF? It's not exactly a popular or risk-free topic for tech journalists, since many tech companies sponsor LF projects.
- throwaway82652 5y ago
  You can just look up the Linux Foundation's tax statements, they're publicly available. Bryan Lunduke's recent writings are a bad source, they consist almost entirely of reactionary trolling. No idea why he gets any readership.
  - overboard2 5y ago
    What is reactionary trolling, why is it bad, and why are his articles an example of it?
    - throwaway82652 5y ago
      It's the same kind of unsourced low-information content focused on personal grievances that you would find in an angry twitter or 4chan comment. It's just intellectually lazy and bad writing, this person is smart enough not to do it but does it anyway. If you need me to explain why this is undesirable, then we probably don't have much else to talk about.
      - robonerd 5y ago
        > unsourced low-information content Pot, meet kettle. > From the lawyers I've spoken to about this, Linus's view on the GPL and the chosen enforcement strategy has long been known to be nonsense. Unsourced. Low information content. You're throwing a whole lot of vague shade around in this thread. overboard2 asked you for an example, that was an opportunity to get specific, but your response is to make vague comparisons to 4chan?
        throwaway82652 5y ago
        >Pot, meet kettle. No, this is incredibly wrong. The source here is me. You can choose to not believe me, but it's a source. I'm sorry but I just don't illegally carry a tape recorder into every meeting I go to just to prove something to a person on the internet. If you want me to elaborate then just ask a specific question, please stop with these "gotcha" tactics because they don't do anything. If you were referring to this person's writings, the article that was already posted is a source.
  - benmanns 5y ago
    Linux Foundation's 2018 Form 990 (latest available): https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/460503801_201812_990O_2020011517035818.pdf https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/460503801_201812_990O... Accessible via: https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=LINUX%20FOUNDATION&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=... You can find other non-profits here: https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/allSearch https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/allSearch
mikeyouse 5y ago
I’m not sure what that tells you in the best case though.. They could surely break out a line for Kernel, but then does the investment in Automotive Grade Linux count? Or Civil Infrastructure Project? Or whatever that new OpenSSF project is? If they spend $10M on hosting OSSNA, should that count? Does money spent supporting K8s somehow detract from the kernel work? It’s just such a weird flawed premise of a measure I can’t imagine how it’d be useful in determining anything about their motivations.

by swores 5y ago

walterbell 5y ago

Could you recommend another article with a better breakdown of Linux spending by LF? It's not exactly a popular or risk-free topic for tech journalists, since many tech companies sponsor LF projects.

throwaway82652 5y ago
You can just look up the Linux Foundation's tax statements, they're publicly available. Bryan Lunduke's recent writings are a bad source, they consist almost entirely of reactionary trolling. No idea why he gets any readership.
- overboard2 5y ago
  What is reactionary trolling, why is it bad, and why are his articles an example of it?
  - throwaway82652 5y ago
    It's the same kind of unsourced low-information content focused on personal grievances that you would find in an angry twitter or 4chan comment. It's just intellectually lazy and bad writing, this person is smart enough not to do it but does it anyway. If you need me to explain why this is undesirable, then we probably don't have much else to talk about.
    - robonerd 5y ago
      > unsourced low-information content Pot, meet kettle. > From the lawyers I've spoken to about this, Linus's view on the GPL and the chosen enforcement strategy has long been known to be nonsense. Unsourced. Low information content. You're throwing a whole lot of vague shade around in this thread. overboard2 asked you for an example, that was an opportunity to get specific, but your response is to make vague comparisons to 4chan?
      - throwaway82652 5y ago
        >Pot, meet kettle. No, this is incredibly wrong. The source here is me. You can choose to not believe me, but it's a source. I'm sorry but I just don't illegally carry a tape recorder into every meeting I go to just to prove something to a person on the internet. If you want me to elaborate then just ask a specific question, please stop with these "gotcha" tactics because they don't do anything. If you were referring to this person's writings, the article that was already posted is a source.
- benmanns 5y ago
  Linux Foundation's 2018 Form 990 (latest available): https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/460503801_201812_990O_2020011517035818.pdf https://apps.irs.gov/pub/epostcard/cor/460503801_201812_990O... Accessible via: https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=LINUX%20FOUNDATION&city=&state=&countryAbbr=US&dba=&type=COPYOFRETURNS&orgTags=COPYOFRETURNS https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/detailsPage?ein=460503801&name=... You can find other non-profits here: https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/allSearch https://apps.irs.gov/app/eos/allSearch

mikeyouse 5y ago

I’m not sure what that tells you in the best case though.. They could surely break out a line for Kernel, but then does the investment in Automotive Grade Linux count? Or Civil Infrastructure Project? Or whatever that new OpenSSF project is? If they spend $10M on hosting OSSNA, should that count? Does money spent supporting K8s somehow detract from the kernel work? It’s just such a weird flawed premise of a measure I can’t imagine how it’d be useful in determining anything about their motivations.