Yes, I think too that the right approach is to have a LISP style equality of data and code. I think the reason people use templating for HTML is that it's rathe

Yes, I think too that the right approach is to have a LISP style equality of data and code. I think the reason people use templating for HTML is that it's rather simple do do, it's possible to do the same with PDF but nobody in the right mind would do this. There's a lot of power that comes from using something like clojures hiccup, or seasides html functions, for example the view, can actually contain the view and BE that programmatically, instead of having yet another layer. Templates must die.