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This same user is arguing that Crypto is justified because it helps people in dictatorial or corrupt nations protect their money. I really can't stand this hyp

by nawgz 4y ago

This same user is arguing that Crypto is justified because it helps people in dictatorial or corrupt nations protect their money. I really can't stand this hypocrisy - "it's working as intended to drop transactions even after charging exorbitant transaction fees - by the way it also is protecting impoverished people's money". You cannot tell me this is a good-faith argument.

siftrics 4y ago
No one held a gun to their head and said "you have to bet thousands of dollars of ETH." If you want to move lots of money for the purposes of escaping authoritarian regimes, there are other chains which have extremely negligible transaction fees.
rglullis 4y ago
Context matters. - No one is forced to use the blockchain when it is congested. Quite the opposite. The high prices are supposed to be a self-correcting mechanism and to put a back-off signal for all those that can wait. - "holding" assets do not cost anything on the blockchain. - There are ways to dial the "perfomance/cost/decentralization" trade-off knobs. There are off-chain systems to move funds. Use centralized exchanges when possible, and you can avoid paying anything. Pool your resources with people that you can trust/cooperate, and you can have a separate ledger [0] that can abstract the different blockchains into one single "balance" and only interacts with the blockchain when you need to actually move the funds. [0] https://hub20.io/about https://hub20.io/about
- Scea91 4y ago
  > Pool your resources with people that you can trust/cooperate How do I find this group of people I trust? I suppose you mean a larger group of people than my closest family and a bunch of friends? Can I possibly trust a group of anonymous people on blockchain more than an established physical bank?
  - rglullis 4y ago
    > I suppose you mean a larger group of people than my closest family and a bunch of friends? No. I mean exactly on that scale. It could be friends and family, it could be your employer and your co-workers. It could be you and some members of your church. My recommendation on Hub20 is "don't open an account in any instance unless you and the operator could knock on each other's doors". > more than an established physical bank? Trust is a sliding scale. It's up to you to know how comfortable you'll be by leaving funds on the hands of each.

by nawgz 4y ago

siftrics 4y ago

No one held a gun to their head and said "you have to bet thousands of dollars of ETH." If you want to move lots of money for the purposes of escaping authoritarian regimes, there are other chains which have extremely negligible transaction fees.

rglullis 4y ago

Context matters. - No one is forced to use the blockchain when it is congested. Quite the opposite. The high prices are supposed to be a self-correcting mechanism and to put a back-off signal for all those that can wait. - "holding" assets do not cost anything on the blockchain. - There are ways to dial the "perfomance/cost/decentralization" trade-off knobs. There are off-chain systems to move funds. Use centralized exchanges when possible, and you can avoid paying anything. Pool your resources with people that you can trust/cooperate, and you can have a separate ledger [0] that can abstract the different blockchains into one single "balance" and only interacts with the blockchain when you need to actually move the funds. [0] https://hub20.io/about https://hub20.io/about

Scea91 4y ago
> Pool your resources with people that you can trust/cooperate How do I find this group of people I trust? I suppose you mean a larger group of people than my closest family and a bunch of friends? Can I possibly trust a group of anonymous people on blockchain more than an established physical bank?
- rglullis 4y ago
  > I suppose you mean a larger group of people than my closest family and a bunch of friends? No. I mean exactly on that scale. It could be friends and family, it could be your employer and your co-workers. It could be you and some members of your church. My recommendation on Hub20 is "don't open an account in any instance unless you and the operator could knock on each other's doors". > more than an established physical bank? Trust is a sliding scale. It's up to you to know how comfortable you'll be by leaving funds on the hands of each.