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Eventually EU is going to ban data warehousing for any purpose other than storing and giving it back to the user. And honestly, I think it's necessary.

perfunctory 5y ago
Why do you think the EU will do it?
- dspillett 5y ago
  They are the closest to doing it than anywhere else at least, and still edging in the direction of greater regulation not less or on a plateau.
- OkayPhysicist 5y ago
  Probably because they're the jurisdiction that's taking user privacy rights the most seriously so far, with enough market share to leverage their demands.
- baisq 5y ago
  They don’t have a tech industry so they have nothing to lose from it.
- ajsnigrutin 5y ago
  Because most of that kind of industry is US based, and they earn money from EU users, so on one hand, you seem to be working "for the people", on the other hand, you fuck the americans :)
- raxxorraxor 5y ago
  The EU doesn't everything right in the digital sphere but at least some parts of it understand the importance of privacy. Of course there is an opposition that believes this hinders digital development in Europe, which is quite slow or nonexistent, but that is also often caused by said opposition itself instead of privacy laws. Because the few digital experts need all their energy in fighting their ideas and corruption.
doliveira 5y ago
I really hope so. Maybe this will yield better privacy-preserving schemes for data analysis and recommendation engines. Necessity is the mother of invention (or whatever the equivalent idiom is in English). I think I'm hardly making an original argument, but a big problem is binding Compute and Data, so companies have an incentive to hoard as much data as possible and keep it hostage. Feels like deep down that's the whole valuation of Silicon Valley
- aaomidi 5y ago
  I worked on Prio, now divvi up by ISRG. I don't even think that was really the best solution out there, but certainly better than the status quo. Honestly I should look to see if there's places that are working on privacy preserving metrics systems and apply.
  - doliveira 5y ago
    Didn't know Prio, seems like an interesting approach. I also would like to work with these problems someday. As a layman, I'd love to see something like fully homomorphic encryption taking over. But in the end, IMHO what really needs to happen is to enable full data ownership. The semantic web, there was also another project by Tim Berners Lee...

perfunctory 5y ago

Why do you think the EU will do it?

dspillett 5y ago
They are the closest to doing it than anywhere else at least, and still edging in the direction of greater regulation not less or on a plateau.
OkayPhysicist 5y ago
Probably because they're the jurisdiction that's taking user privacy rights the most seriously so far, with enough market share to leverage their demands.
baisq 5y ago
They don’t have a tech industry so they have nothing to lose from it.
ajsnigrutin 5y ago
Because most of that kind of industry is US based, and they earn money from EU users, so on one hand, you seem to be working "for the people", on the other hand, you fuck the americans :)
raxxorraxor 5y ago
The EU doesn't everything right in the digital sphere but at least some parts of it understand the importance of privacy. Of course there is an opposition that believes this hinders digital development in Europe, which is quite slow or nonexistent, but that is also often caused by said opposition itself instead of privacy laws. Because the few digital experts need all their energy in fighting their ideas and corruption.

doliveira 5y ago

I really hope so. Maybe this will yield better privacy-preserving schemes for data analysis and recommendation engines. Necessity is the mother of invention (or whatever the equivalent idiom is in English). I think I'm hardly making an original argument, but a big problem is binding Compute and Data, so companies have an incentive to hoard as much data as possible and keep it hostage. Feels like deep down that's the whole valuation of Silicon Valley

aaomidi 5y ago
I worked on Prio, now divvi up by ISRG. I don't even think that was really the best solution out there, but certainly better than the status quo. Honestly I should look to see if there's places that are working on privacy preserving metrics systems and apply.
- doliveira 5y ago
  Didn't know Prio, seems like an interesting approach. I also would like to work with these problems someday. As a layman, I'd love to see something like fully homomorphic encryption taking over. But in the end, IMHO what really needs to happen is to enable full data ownership. The semantic web, there was also another project by Tim Berners Lee...