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Imagine my smug face as the pendulum finally swings back to me, with my hand typed, hand crafted, fair trade, organic and bespoke HTML. For my next trick, I wil

by 0des 4y ago

Imagine my smug face as the pendulum finally swings back to me, with my hand typed, hand crafted, fair trade, organic and bespoke HTML. For my next trick, I will achieve the unthinkable and show you how I launch my blog without a dual redundant k8s cluster.

cxr 4y ago
- bob1029 4y ago
  In my estimation, the point the parent comment is trying to make is regarding the unfortunate extent to which the developer community currently relies upon technological sprawl and other unnecessary complexity.
- mdp2021 4y ago
  It's not perfectly clear, but estimates do not go far away from "What a satisfaction it will be, when I will return in control with my properly crafted markup. Next, I'll prove a simple server suffices to serve it". About 'snarky', I never understood what it is meant to mean exactly (in spite of many reviews of the guidelines) but I took it to be a variant of bluntness for short-tempered expressions of contempt. I would not interpret it to cover criticism in general, especially of practices.
TAKEMYMONEY 4y ago
> my blog ...is the usual use case for the "why not just use HTML?!" argument. Still, even at the enterprise level, considering SSR's popularity, the "pendulum" has been in favor of static HTML for a while.
- Closi 4y ago
  You mean static HTML loaded onto serverless cloud storage with cloudfront, using Hugo to compile markup into HTML with a CI/CD pipeline created to push the content up to your S3 bucket, then with a headless CMS visual editor which sits on some SaaS platform, with any server-side interactions written in Lambdas?
  - vmception 4y ago
    Sounds tedious, I propose we make scripts for all these steps and bundle it alongside the frontend framework that renders static html
  - ant6n 4y ago
    Exactly, plain html!
  - tshaddox 4y ago
    > static HTML loaded onto serverless cloud storage with cloudfront That's just a verbose way of saying "a file hosting service." > using Hugo to compile markup into HTML with a CI/CD pipeline created to push the content up to your S3 bucket What's wrong with that though? You could describe any computer technology in arbitrarily high level of depth to mock how complicated it is. Text editors sound very complicated too if you describe their internal data structures, the window server the GUI runs on, the operating system's context switching system, etc.
    - jameshart 4y ago
      For some reason using a bash script to munge a few files together then a cron job running to rsync them to an Apache server running on a VPS is considered morally and technically superior to using a JavaScript tool to build a site then having a GitHub Action push the files up to an S3 bucket with a cloudfront distribution in front of it. There’s no obvious reason for this, other than a belief that if something can be done with 50 year old technology, it should be.
      - jjnoakes 4y ago
        I don't think one is morally superior to the other, but there are trade-offs. With bash, cron, rsync, and a vps, one is using stable, long-lived tools that usually come with Linux, are vetted and patched automatically, and are familiar in the sense that those same tools can be used for all sorts of tasks, not just frontend development. There is also the argument that the only remote piece controlled by the service provider is a vps which still gives you lots of control and flexibility with minimal lock-in. I prefer somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but I see more appeal to the "old" approach than you allude to.
smm11 4y ago
Just responding to note the use of "bespoke" in the wild.
- Macha 4y ago
  It's not that rare a term, HN search has 13 pages of just titles using it: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=8&prefix=false&query=bespoke&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=8&prefix=false&qu...
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markdown 4y ago
> how I launch my blog without a dual redundant k8s cluster. Filezilla? rsync? Please share your secret!
MR4D 4y ago
We genuflect at your smugness and your ability to tune out the noise of false prophets. Can’t wait to read that blog post! :D
mro_name 4y ago
Exactly my take! Awesome. I add 'regional' :-)
5350-uiop-1130 4y ago
artisinal html

by 0des 4y ago

cxr 4y ago

bob1029 4y ago
In my estimation, the point the parent comment is trying to make is regarding the unfortunate extent to which the developer community currently relies upon technological sprawl and other unnecessary complexity.
mdp2021 4y ago
It's not perfectly clear, but estimates do not go far away from "What a satisfaction it will be, when I will return in control with my properly crafted markup. Next, I'll prove a simple server suffices to serve it". About 'snarky', I never understood what it is meant to mean exactly (in spite of many reviews of the guidelines) but I took it to be a variant of bluntness for short-tempered expressions of contempt. I would not interpret it to cover criticism in general, especially of practices.

TAKEMYMONEY 4y ago

> my blog ...is the usual use case for the "why not just use HTML?!" argument. Still, even at the enterprise level, considering SSR's popularity, the "pendulum" has been in favor of static HTML for a while.

Closi 4y ago
You mean static HTML loaded onto serverless cloud storage with cloudfront, using Hugo to compile markup into HTML with a CI/CD pipeline created to push the content up to your S3 bucket, then with a headless CMS visual editor which sits on some SaaS platform, with any server-side interactions written in Lambdas?
- vmception 4y ago
  Sounds tedious, I propose we make scripts for all these steps and bundle it alongside the frontend framework that renders static html
- ant6n 4y ago
  Exactly, plain html!
- tshaddox 4y ago
  > static HTML loaded onto serverless cloud storage with cloudfront That's just a verbose way of saying "a file hosting service." > using Hugo to compile markup into HTML with a CI/CD pipeline created to push the content up to your S3 bucket What's wrong with that though? You could describe any computer technology in arbitrarily high level of depth to mock how complicated it is. Text editors sound very complicated too if you describe their internal data structures, the window server the GUI runs on, the operating system's context switching system, etc.
  - jameshart 4y ago
    For some reason using a bash script to munge a few files together then a cron job running to rsync them to an Apache server running on a VPS is considered morally and technically superior to using a JavaScript tool to build a site then having a GitHub Action push the files up to an S3 bucket with a cloudfront distribution in front of it. There’s no obvious reason for this, other than a belief that if something can be done with 50 year old technology, it should be.
    - jjnoakes 4y ago
      I don't think one is morally superior to the other, but there are trade-offs. With bash, cron, rsync, and a vps, one is using stable, long-lived tools that usually come with Linux, are vetted and patched automatically, and are familiar in the sense that those same tools can be used for all sorts of tasks, not just frontend development. There is also the argument that the only remote piece controlled by the service provider is a vps which still gives you lots of control and flexibility with minimal lock-in. I prefer somewhere in the middle of the two extremes, but I see more appeal to the "old" approach than you allude to.

smm11 4y ago

Just responding to note the use of "bespoke" in the wild.

Macha 4y ago
It's not that rare a term, HN search has 13 pages of just titles using it: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=8&prefix=false&query=bespoke&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=8&prefix=false&qu...
- deleted 4y ago
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markdown 4y ago

> how I launch my blog without a dual redundant k8s cluster. Filezilla? rsync? Please share your secret!

MR4D 4y ago

We genuflect at your smugness and your ability to tune out the noise of false prophets. Can’t wait to read that blog post! :D

mro_name 4y ago

Exactly my take! Awesome. I add 'regional' :-)

5350-uiop-1130 4y ago

artisinal html