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I suggest reading [this essay](https://thefifthwave.wordpress.com/what-is-the-fifth-wave/ https://thefifthwave.wordpress.com/what-is-the-fifth-wave/), which OP

I suggest reading [this essay](https://thefifthwave.wordpress.com/what-is-the-fifth-wave/ https://thefifthwave.wordpress.com/what-is-the-fifth-wave/), which OP links to on his website, for more insight into the philosophical background he's coming from.

blueflow 4y ago
US Partisan politics... you both assume people would side with you?
- NoraCodes 4y ago
  I didn't say I agree with that essay. It's relevant because it's linked to in OP's bio.
  - blueflow 4y ago
    I didn't imply that. If you two (you and cmoog) go like "$other_person is doing bad thing"... this does not seem very adult to me. Ignore it. Go on. OP got flagged for this reason, and you should get, too.
    - NoraCodes 4y ago
      Indeed, I deleted my related comments and post because of that, except here. I apologize for being unconstructive. That said I do think your imputation of _partisan_ politics onto this is a bit odd; I am no Democrat and OP has nowhere stated that he's affiliated with any party.
      - blueflow 4y ago
        I had the impression that you were blue American and the cmoog person a red American.
        effingwewt 4y ago
        There are nuances. Many like myself no longer have a political party, as we feel unrepresented no matter what. We think both sides are bad and resent the fact we are stuck with two parties (really none, as with any two party system when both sides agree you have no choice). People can discuss the merits or problems with the parties without belonging to either. Unfortunately there are a lot of extremists on both sides who insist on name-calling, or using labels to insinuate. Politics is a mess but personally I feel America is a case study on what happens when politics and business are allowed to run unchecked.
        blueflow 4y ago
        I'm not even from the US and i hope this will stop soon.
themodelplumber 4y ago
Thanks for the link. It's an interesting read. But the rather hyperbolic route the author takes in this article-ifesto raises the question of whether their criticism of self-righteousness is more like projection of their own weakness directly onto the WaPo. The author also speaks of the resilience of "reality" while seemingly working to spin a new model of reality out of whole cloth. The latter is fine with me and aligns with their position of how the fifth wave is operating, but taking both of those positions in one article always seems to point out a kind of inner conflict. It's too bad because my gut tells me that the fifth wave as described could easily reconcile these kinds of things and maybe even help the WaPo out along the way. And if the fifth wave is really logically what the author says it is, there should be no reason for bashing the WaPo...as opposed to say pitying it? There's a lot of emotion in the mix, and it distracts.
libraryatnight 4y ago
I know you personally note you don't necessarily agree with this article, but I just have to say reading this takes me back to a time as a child when were vacationing with another family in their cabin and I used the bathroom and read one of the magazines by the toilet. Even at 11-12 the article seemed interesting at first, I couldn't quite piece together what point was being made with the information presented though and had this weird skeptical feeling as I read, at the end I realized it was making an argument that somehow the Clintons were responsible for various earthquakes that suited them politically. I might have laughed if it hadn't felt so serious. When I asked my dad what the hell I saw he just said "Oh, John's into a bunch of conspiracy shit." Which then lead to an interesting conversation about Bobby Fischer and the dark holes one can go down. Anyway, I get that vibe reading this, this is a smart person trying to make sense of something that scares them, be wary of getting sucked in.

blueflow 4y ago

US Partisan politics... you both assume people would side with you?

NoraCodes 4y ago
I didn't say I agree with that essay. It's relevant because it's linked to in OP's bio.
- blueflow 4y ago
  I didn't imply that. If you two (you and cmoog) go like "$other_person is doing bad thing"... this does not seem very adult to me. Ignore it. Go on. OP got flagged for this reason, and you should get, too.
  - NoraCodes 4y ago
    Indeed, I deleted my related comments and post because of that, except here. I apologize for being unconstructive. That said I do think your imputation of _partisan_ politics onto this is a bit odd; I am no Democrat and OP has nowhere stated that he's affiliated with any party.
    - blueflow 4y ago
      I had the impression that you were blue American and the cmoog person a red American.
      - effingwewt 4y ago
        There are nuances. Many like myself no longer have a political party, as we feel unrepresented no matter what. We think both sides are bad and resent the fact we are stuck with two parties (really none, as with any two party system when both sides agree you have no choice). People can discuss the merits or problems with the parties without belonging to either. Unfortunately there are a lot of extremists on both sides who insist on name-calling, or using labels to insinuate. Politics is a mess but personally I feel America is a case study on what happens when politics and business are allowed to run unchecked.
        blueflow 4y ago
        I'm not even from the US and i hope this will stop soon.

themodelplumber 4y ago

Thanks for the link. It's an interesting read. But the rather hyperbolic route the author takes in this article-ifesto raises the question of whether their criticism of self-righteousness is more like projection of their own weakness directly onto the WaPo. The author also speaks of the resilience of "reality" while seemingly working to spin a new model of reality out of whole cloth. The latter is fine with me and aligns with their position of how the fifth wave is operating, but taking both of those positions in one article always seems to point out a kind of inner conflict. It's too bad because my gut tells me that the fifth wave as described could easily reconcile these kinds of things and maybe even help the WaPo out along the way. And if the fifth wave is really logically what the author says it is, there should be no reason for bashing the WaPo...as opposed to say pitying it? There's a lot of emotion in the mix, and it distracts.

libraryatnight 4y ago

I know you personally note you don't necessarily agree with this article, but I just have to say reading this takes me back to a time as a child when were vacationing with another family in their cabin and I used the bathroom and read one of the magazines by the toilet. Even at 11-12 the article seemed interesting at first, I couldn't quite piece together what point was being made with the information presented though and had this weird skeptical feeling as I read, at the end I realized it was making an argument that somehow the Clintons were responsible for various earthquakes that suited them politically. I might have laughed if it hadn't felt so serious. When I asked my dad what the hell I saw he just said "Oh, John's into a bunch of conspiracy shit." Which then lead to an interesting conversation about Bobby Fischer and the dark holes one can go down. Anyway, I get that vibe reading this, this is a smart person trying to make sense of something that scares them, be wary of getting sucked in.