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I really don't think the factory was owned by Apple. AFAIK Apple was a customer and they lobbied to have things changed once they knew it, and they also have a

I really don't think the factory was owned by Apple. AFAIK Apple was a customer and they lobbied to have things changed once they knew it, and they also have a clear track record of switching suppliers in case of problems like this dating from before this issue came to light. That's clearly anti-exploitative to me. It's not easy to know these things about your suppliers, these companies work hard to hide it.

alwayseasy 4y ago
So a bank is exploitative but a company with exploitation in its supply chain isn't. My point is, with that line you'll end up sounding like an anti-capitalist when it comes to European companies but not American ones.
- emteycz 4y ago
  Stop putting anti-capitalism into my words, you'll never find it, and if you do it's only your own bias. Once Apple knew there is a problem, they fixed it - and they fixed problems like this many times before the issue you're talking about, without any fuss in the media. They don't have a crystal ball. These Chinese companies go to extraordinary lengths to present their best face to you and the public. It's very hard to know this stuff without looking for it (I mean directly at the place, with your own eyes) - and it's very hard even if you look for it, and actual Chinese secret police agents will try to stop you from knowing and publicizing it. Whereas the banks and loan sharks have built their entire business on financial exploitation. Of course that's entirely different from Apple. I still haven't seen a single good product from a bank, everything they offer is used only because of necessity - whereas people buy iPhones and Macs because it's excellent technology, not because it's a must.
  - jimnotgym 4y ago
    >Once Apple knew there is a problem, they fixed it Once the media found out Apple fixed it >and they fixed problems like this many times before I am struggling to read this as a good thing. Once it happens once maybe you should audit your supply chains properly.
    - emteycz 4y ago
      There is zero evidence at all that Apple knew before media knew; and there is plenty of evidence Apple is fixing this stuff ASAP without medialization. It's totally unrealistic to expect hardware companies to watch every factory of their supply chain all the time. You're living in some kind of fantasy-land if you think this is in any way even remotely feasible, sorry. Apple has much better score than other companies with issues like this, anyways. Why don't you focus on the others instead of talking about the one company that cares about this and fixes it asap?
      - jimnotgym 4y ago
        >Apple has much better score than other companies with issues like this Is there an objective scoring system you can point me to? Or a league table? >It's totally unrealistic to expect hardware companies to watch every factory of their supply chain all the time And totally realistic to expect that they had engineers at their major supplier on a regular basis...we are not talking about the people that made the resistors, we are taking about the main assembly plant. I would be suprised if Apple QA were not there full time. I'm sorry but you don't sound like you have a lot of insight into it beyond what we all read at the time. It makes you sound like a fan boy trying to excuse the inexcusable

alwayseasy 4y ago

So a bank is exploitative but a company with exploitation in its supply chain isn't. My point is, with that line you'll end up sounding like an anti-capitalist when it comes to European companies but not American ones.

emteycz 4y ago
Stop putting anti-capitalism into my words, you'll never find it, and if you do it's only your own bias. Once Apple knew there is a problem, they fixed it - and they fixed problems like this many times before the issue you're talking about, without any fuss in the media. They don't have a crystal ball. These Chinese companies go to extraordinary lengths to present their best face to you and the public. It's very hard to know this stuff without looking for it (I mean directly at the place, with your own eyes) - and it's very hard even if you look for it, and actual Chinese secret police agents will try to stop you from knowing and publicizing it. Whereas the banks and loan sharks have built their entire business on financial exploitation. Of course that's entirely different from Apple. I still haven't seen a single good product from a bank, everything they offer is used only because of necessity - whereas people buy iPhones and Macs because it's excellent technology, not because it's a must.
- jimnotgym 4y ago
  >Once Apple knew there is a problem, they fixed it Once the media found out Apple fixed it >and they fixed problems like this many times before I am struggling to read this as a good thing. Once it happens once maybe you should audit your supply chains properly.
  - emteycz 4y ago
    There is zero evidence at all that Apple knew before media knew; and there is plenty of evidence Apple is fixing this stuff ASAP without medialization. It's totally unrealistic to expect hardware companies to watch every factory of their supply chain all the time. You're living in some kind of fantasy-land if you think this is in any way even remotely feasible, sorry. Apple has much better score than other companies with issues like this, anyways. Why don't you focus on the others instead of talking about the one company that cares about this and fixes it asap?
    - jimnotgym 4y ago
      >Apple has much better score than other companies with issues like this Is there an objective scoring system you can point me to? Or a league table? >It's totally unrealistic to expect hardware companies to watch every factory of their supply chain all the time And totally realistic to expect that they had engineers at their major supplier on a regular basis...we are not talking about the people that made the resistors, we are taking about the main assembly plant. I would be suprised if Apple QA were not there full time. I'm sorry but you don't sound like you have a lot of insight into it beyond what we all read at the time. It makes you sound like a fan boy trying to excuse the inexcusable