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It's OK, eventually their shells will dissolve in the sea water^Wcarbonic acid and it won't matter anyway.

by adhesive_wombat 5y ago

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
Crustaceans are not negatively impacted by adicification.
- adhesive_wombat 5y ago
  This recent literature review[1] disagrees: > Our global literature review and synthesis of OA [Ocean Acidification] thresholds for decapod crustaceans reveals that this group is sensitive to OA across multiple pathways, ranging from physiological and behavioral responses to mortality. But I'm not a marine biologist, and I'm open to new information. (Also temperature rises is a threat to lobsters, but at least they can just keep moving North[2] for the time being, there are more lines of latitude to go). [1]: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2021.651102/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2021.6511... [2]: https://www.businessinsider.com/lobsters-move-north-as-ocean-warms-2015-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/lobsters-move-north-as-ocean...
- pvaldes 5y ago
  > Crustaceans are not negatively impacted by acidification. Anything with an outer skeleton made of Calcium carbonate will die in a high acidic environment, or will be eaten that is the same
maa5444 5y ago
wongarsu 5y ago
We certainly have to also consider the damage from not laying the cable as well. As ocean acidification from climate change is killing lobsters, the cable might be the lesser of two evils
- adhesive_wombat 5y ago
  That's what I was saying. But I'm sure we'll find a lot of people suddenly very emotionally invested in lobsters living within 10m of power lines, just like there are people who have a sudden overwhelming love for birds near wind turbines, but conveniently don't really rate other birds being killed by windows, cats, fossil fuel emissions, vehicles, farming, habitat destruction, etc. And I'm sure if you looked, you wouldn't find any of them happen to be astroturfing for fossil energy companies (not saying this study necessarily is, but it'll be gleefully seized on forever after by those who are).
  - belorn 5y ago
    There is always nuclear which don't kill birds, don't put their emissions into the air, don't destroy the habitat for animals, and in general has proven to be fairly safe for animals even in the case of catastrophic accidents. Wind power need to consider endangered birds. Hydro power need to consider migrating fish (many which are currently on the brink of extinction), and now offshore wind need to consider the impact on animals living in the ocean. And we still need to solve the issue of storage for countries depending primarily on a combination of fossil fuels and wind and is located too far north to survive on solar during low wind conditions. We can't just sweep the problems under the rug and present it as the perfect solution without any issues.
  - adolph 5y ago
    > suddenly very emotionally invested in lobsters Maybe for the 1%, for everyone else it is emotional labor. Unlike turbine-chum, lobsters are delicious. http://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf http://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf

It's OK, eventually their shells will dissolve in the sea water^Wcarbonic acid and it won't matter anyway.

kevin_thibedeau 5y ago

Crustaceans are not negatively impacted by adicification.

adhesive_wombat 5y ago
This recent literature review[1] disagrees: > Our global literature review and synthesis of OA [Ocean Acidification] thresholds for decapod crustaceans reveals that this group is sensitive to OA across multiple pathways, ranging from physiological and behavioral responses to mortality. But I'm not a marine biologist, and I'm open to new information. (Also temperature rises is a threat to lobsters, but at least they can just keep moving North[2] for the time being, there are more lines of latitude to go). [1]: https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2021.651102/full https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fmars.2021.6511... [2]: https://www.businessinsider.com/lobsters-move-north-as-ocean-warms-2015-6 https://www.businessinsider.com/lobsters-move-north-as-ocean...
pvaldes 5y ago
> Crustaceans are not negatively impacted by acidification. Anything with an outer skeleton made of Calcium carbonate will die in a high acidic environment, or will be eaten that is the same

maa5444 5y ago

wongarsu 5y ago

We certainly have to also consider the damage from not laying the cable as well. As ocean acidification from climate change is killing lobsters, the cable might be the lesser of two evils

adhesive_wombat 5y ago
That's what I was saying. But I'm sure we'll find a lot of people suddenly very emotionally invested in lobsters living within 10m of power lines, just like there are people who have a sudden overwhelming love for birds near wind turbines, but conveniently don't really rate other birds being killed by windows, cats, fossil fuel emissions, vehicles, farming, habitat destruction, etc. And I'm sure if you looked, you wouldn't find any of them happen to be astroturfing for fossil energy companies (not saying this study necessarily is, but it'll be gleefully seized on forever after by those who are).
- belorn 5y ago
  There is always nuclear which don't kill birds, don't put their emissions into the air, don't destroy the habitat for animals, and in general has proven to be fairly safe for animals even in the case of catastrophic accidents. Wind power need to consider endangered birds. Hydro power need to consider migrating fish (many which are currently on the brink of extinction), and now offshore wind need to consider the impact on animals living in the ocean. And we still need to solve the issue of storage for countries depending primarily on a combination of fossil fuels and wind and is located too far north to survive on solar during low wind conditions. We can't just sweep the problems under the rug and present it as the perfect solution without any issues.
- adolph 5y ago
  > suddenly very emotionally invested in lobsters Maybe for the 1%, for everyone else it is emotional labor. Unlike turbine-chum, lobsters are delicious. http://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf http://www.columbia.edu/~col8/lobsterarticle.pdf