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Ok then the EU wants something like Gorillas (German unicorn start up) instead? Food delivery for low prices, where young students are exploited. Instead of pro

Ok then the EU wants something like Gorillas (German unicorn start up) instead? Food delivery for low prices, where young students are exploited. Instead of providing high paying job's like apple does...

emteycz 4y ago
You're downvoted but it's true, there isn't a big company in EU that isn't exploitative. The biggest are banks and loan sharks. And not a single one pays good wages.
- nicoburns 4y ago
  This seems like a good reason to strongly regulate big companies in general. If that discourages there from being big companies then that seems like it might be a good thing.
  - emteycz 4y ago
    But we want big companies! We offer everything and the neighbor's dog to them! Tax breaks, special laws, loans, etc... And that's good, and people here think so as well! The only problem is, the environment here is not friendly to moonshot tech startups that could grow big, so instead we only have exploitative big businesses that have enough lawyers, dotation referents and contacts in the public sphere.
- alwayseasy 4y ago
  Sarcasm is hard to detect online. The largest companies in EU are not banks and I don't see how you can distinguish non-exploitative companies from the "its ok to have suicidal labour in China" without sounding anti-capitalist.
  - emteycz 4y ago
    I really don't think the factory was owned by Apple. AFAIK Apple was a customer and they lobbied to have things changed once they knew it, and they also have a clear track record of switching suppliers in case of problems like this dating from before this issue came to light. That's clearly anti-exploitative to me. It's not easy to know these things about your suppliers, these companies work hard to hide it.
    - alwayseasy 4y ago
      So a bank is exploitative but a company with exploitation in its supply chain isn't. My point is, with that line you'll end up sounding like an anti-capitalist when it comes to European companies but not American ones.
      - emteycz 4y ago
        Stop putting anti-capitalism into my words, you'll never find it, and if you do it's only your own bias. Once Apple knew there is a problem, they fixed it - and they fixed problems like this many times before the issue you're talking about, without any fuss in the media. They don't have a crystal ball. These Chinese companies go to extraordinary lengths to present their best face to you and the public. It's very hard to know this stuff without looking for it (I mean directly at the place, with your own eyes) - and it's very hard even if you look for it, and actual Chinese secret police agents will try to stop you from knowing and publicizing it. Whereas the banks and loan sharks have built their entire business on financial exploitation. Of course that's entirely different from Apple. I still haven't seen a single good product from a bank, everything they offer is used only because of necessity - whereas people buy iPhones and Macs because it's excellent technology, not because it's a must.
        jimnotgym 4y ago
        >Once Apple knew there is a problem, they fixed it Once the media found out Apple fixed it >and they fixed problems like this many times before I am struggling to read this as a good thing. Once it happens once maybe you should audit your supply chains properly.
        emteycz 4y ago
        There is zero evidence at all that Apple knew before media knew; and there is plenty of evidence Apple is fixing this stuff ASAP without medialization. It's totally unrealistic to expect hardware companies to watch every factory of their supply chain all the time. You're living in some kind of fantasy-land if you think this is in any way even remotely feasible, sorry. Apple has much better score than other companies with issues like this, anyways. Why don't you focus on the others instead of talking about the one company that cares about this and fixes it asap?
lgl 4y ago
> Instead of providing high paying job's like apple does... Is this a joke? You do know that people living outside the US are actual human beings right? Because the people that were building the actual $1500+ iphones were literally jumping from the factory windows to their deaths due to terrible working conditions, pay and psychological torment. The Apple fanboyism never ceases to amaze me in hn.

emteycz 4y ago

You're downvoted but it's true, there isn't a big company in EU that isn't exploitative. The biggest are banks and loan sharks. And not a single one pays good wages.

nicoburns 4y ago
This seems like a good reason to strongly regulate big companies in general. If that discourages there from being big companies then that seems like it might be a good thing.
- emteycz 4y ago
  But we want big companies! We offer everything and the neighbor's dog to them! Tax breaks, special laws, loans, etc... And that's good, and people here think so as well! The only problem is, the environment here is not friendly to moonshot tech startups that could grow big, so instead we only have exploitative big businesses that have enough lawyers, dotation referents and contacts in the public sphere.
alwayseasy 4y ago
Sarcasm is hard to detect online. The largest companies in EU are not banks and I don't see how you can distinguish non-exploitative companies from the "its ok to have suicidal labour in China" without sounding anti-capitalist.
- emteycz 4y ago
  I really don't think the factory was owned by Apple. AFAIK Apple was a customer and they lobbied to have things changed once they knew it, and they also have a clear track record of switching suppliers in case of problems like this dating from before this issue came to light. That's clearly anti-exploitative to me. It's not easy to know these things about your suppliers, these companies work hard to hide it.
  - alwayseasy 4y ago
    So a bank is exploitative but a company with exploitation in its supply chain isn't. My point is, with that line you'll end up sounding like an anti-capitalist when it comes to European companies but not American ones.
    - emteycz 4y ago
      Stop putting anti-capitalism into my words, you'll never find it, and if you do it's only your own bias. Once Apple knew there is a problem, they fixed it - and they fixed problems like this many times before the issue you're talking about, without any fuss in the media. They don't have a crystal ball. These Chinese companies go to extraordinary lengths to present their best face to you and the public. It's very hard to know this stuff without looking for it (I mean directly at the place, with your own eyes) - and it's very hard even if you look for it, and actual Chinese secret police agents will try to stop you from knowing and publicizing it. Whereas the banks and loan sharks have built their entire business on financial exploitation. Of course that's entirely different from Apple. I still haven't seen a single good product from a bank, everything they offer is used only because of necessity - whereas people buy iPhones and Macs because it's excellent technology, not because it's a must.
      - jimnotgym 4y ago
        >Once Apple knew there is a problem, they fixed it Once the media found out Apple fixed it >and they fixed problems like this many times before I am struggling to read this as a good thing. Once it happens once maybe you should audit your supply chains properly.
        emteycz 4y ago
        There is zero evidence at all that Apple knew before media knew; and there is plenty of evidence Apple is fixing this stuff ASAP without medialization. It's totally unrealistic to expect hardware companies to watch every factory of their supply chain all the time. You're living in some kind of fantasy-land if you think this is in any way even remotely feasible, sorry. Apple has much better score than other companies with issues like this, anyways. Why don't you focus on the others instead of talking about the one company that cares about this and fixes it asap?

lgl 4y ago

> Instead of providing high paying job's like apple does... Is this a joke? You do know that people living outside the US are actual human beings right? Because the people that were building the actual $1500+ iphones were literally jumping from the factory windows to their deaths due to terrible working conditions, pay and psychological torment. The Apple fanboyism never ceases to amaze me in hn.