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I am the buyer of the product, so I should be able to do with my phone whatever I want. Especially use the built-in NFC chip.

snake_doc 4y ago
You can use the NFC chip, just dissemble your phone and remove it and create your own circuit board to use it. Who is stopping you? Oh, you want to use it on iOS? Well that’s an entirely new complaint… Imagine if an user of a Visa credit card must be allowed to use the same magnetic stripe on the Mastercard network. Do you support that? How is Apple doing anything different?
- tobr 4y ago
  A Visa card and an iPhone are such different products that it’s hard to know where to even begin describing the difference.
- avianlyric 4y ago
  > Imagine if an user of a Visa credit card must be allowed to use the same magnetic stripe on the Mastercard network. Do you support that? How is Apple doing anything different? Erm, the EU has pretty much already done that. Payment networks must support competitors running over their terminals and network for a fair price. Go lookup up EuroPay, didn’t quite pan out how the EU expected. But if you wanna start a new payment network in the EU, MasterCard must help you out.
  - snake_doc 4y ago
    Some of economists may argue the Visa/Mastercard duopoly in the EU is a collusive monopoly position that hurts merchants and consumers.
    - avianlyric 4y ago
      Perhaps, but they’re basically regulated like a utility at this point. Interchange fees are tightly capped, and about 10d lower than the US and many other parts of the world. There’s no real opportunity for either MasterCard or Visa to rent seek in an effective manner. Compared to the US where interchange is sky high, despite slightly greater competition, the EU has a pretty good deal. Also regs like PSD2 further push/incentivise payment networks and banks to reduce fraud losses further, and thus reduce the costs that are ultimately borne by consumers and merchants.
    - danShumway 4y ago
      I could definitely see that, but I don't think that those economists would be likely to go on to argue that the best way to deal with a collusive duopoly is to make it easier for the duopoly to effectively ban competitors from the market by blocking access to their payment terminals. If you think that a company is a monopoly/duopoly, that's an argument for forcing them to support more interoperability with competitors, not less.
rimliu 4y ago
Does that include playing Playstation games on Nintendo, or vice versa?
- vmception 4y ago
  Sony should have the choice of compiling a game that accesses all features of the hardware and software that other game publishers and Nintendo does, Somy should be able tk publish it under their own brand and simply make the business choice not to, and the consumer should have the choice of using it The issue would be Nintendo shutting off access to a subset of hardware features except for themselves for no reason other than Sony not being able to publish a functioning game or other software
- danShumway 4y ago
  I mean, don't threaten me with a good time. The Wii U and 3DS are both excellent emulators for a number of different systems once they've been rooted, and arbitrary platform exclusivity (especially with Nintendo) is a huge issue for game access and game preservation, particularly for games on discontinued systems. Emulation/portability helps with all of that, even when it's not officially supported. There are potentially console-specific economic reasons why we might not want to give people the freedom to root their own consoles without exploits, but importantly those are pretty console-specific. The economics of profitability for game manufacturers are pretty much the only good argument for letting consoles be so locked down, and I'm not 100% convinced even they are a good justification. But regardless of whether or not they're a good justification, they don't really apply to iPhones, products that aren't sold at a loss and don't base their entire model around recouping costs through software sales. And absent those economic arguments, of course it would be good to allow users to load homebrew onto consoles and/or to install emulators that allow loading games from other consoles. It would be wild for anyone to look at forcibly, artificially tying games/software to a specific piece of hardware with a limited lifetime and limited availability, and view that as anything other than at best a necessary evil.
- Nullabillity 4y ago
  Yes, of course? It's ridiculously wasteful (both economically and ecologically) that you have to buy what's basically the same computer 4 times to access the full library of "current" releases.

snake_doc 4y ago

You can use the NFC chip, just dissemble your phone and remove it and create your own circuit board to use it. Who is stopping you? Oh, you want to use it on iOS? Well that’s an entirely new complaint… Imagine if an user of a Visa credit card must be allowed to use the same magnetic stripe on the Mastercard network. Do you support that? How is Apple doing anything different?

tobr 4y ago
A Visa card and an iPhone are such different products that it’s hard to know where to even begin describing the difference.
avianlyric 4y ago
> Imagine if an user of a Visa credit card must be allowed to use the same magnetic stripe on the Mastercard network. Do you support that? How is Apple doing anything different? Erm, the EU has pretty much already done that. Payment networks must support competitors running over their terminals and network for a fair price. Go lookup up EuroPay, didn’t quite pan out how the EU expected. But if you wanna start a new payment network in the EU, MasterCard must help you out.
- snake_doc 4y ago
  Some of economists may argue the Visa/Mastercard duopoly in the EU is a collusive monopoly position that hurts merchants and consumers.
  - avianlyric 4y ago
    Perhaps, but they’re basically regulated like a utility at this point. Interchange fees are tightly capped, and about 10d lower than the US and many other parts of the world. There’s no real opportunity for either MasterCard or Visa to rent seek in an effective manner. Compared to the US where interchange is sky high, despite slightly greater competition, the EU has a pretty good deal. Also regs like PSD2 further push/incentivise payment networks and banks to reduce fraud losses further, and thus reduce the costs that are ultimately borne by consumers and merchants.
  - danShumway 4y ago
    I could definitely see that, but I don't think that those economists would be likely to go on to argue that the best way to deal with a collusive duopoly is to make it easier for the duopoly to effectively ban competitors from the market by blocking access to their payment terminals. If you think that a company is a monopoly/duopoly, that's an argument for forcing them to support more interoperability with competitors, not less.

rimliu 4y ago

Does that include playing Playstation games on Nintendo, or vice versa?

vmception 4y ago
Sony should have the choice of compiling a game that accesses all features of the hardware and software that other game publishers and Nintendo does, Somy should be able tk publish it under their own brand and simply make the business choice not to, and the consumer should have the choice of using it The issue would be Nintendo shutting off access to a subset of hardware features except for themselves for no reason other than Sony not being able to publish a functioning game or other software
danShumway 4y ago
I mean, don't threaten me with a good time. The Wii U and 3DS are both excellent emulators for a number of different systems once they've been rooted, and arbitrary platform exclusivity (especially with Nintendo) is a huge issue for game access and game preservation, particularly for games on discontinued systems. Emulation/portability helps with all of that, even when it's not officially supported. There are potentially console-specific economic reasons why we might not want to give people the freedom to root their own consoles without exploits, but importantly those are pretty console-specific. The economics of profitability for game manufacturers are pretty much the only good argument for letting consoles be so locked down, and I'm not 100% convinced even they are a good justification. But regardless of whether or not they're a good justification, they don't really apply to iPhones, products that aren't sold at a loss and don't base their entire model around recouping costs through software sales. And absent those economic arguments, of course it would be good to allow users to load homebrew onto consoles and/or to install emulators that allow loading games from other consoles. It would be wild for anyone to look at forcibly, artificially tying games/software to a specific piece of hardware with a limited lifetime and limited availability, and view that as anything other than at best a necessary evil.
Nullabillity 4y ago
Yes, of course? It's ridiculously wasteful (both economically and ecologically) that you have to buy what's basically the same computer 4 times to access the full library of "current" releases.