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Animal based protein does not need fertilizer to be grown and it may not be carbon-intensive. Plant based protein is basically putting oil in the ground and ge

Animal based protein does not need fertilizer to be grown and it may not be carbon-intensive. Plant based protein is basically putting oil in the ground and getting crops back. It's intellectually disgusting how you try to put a round peg in a square hole.

Saanti 5y ago
What about fertilizer needed to produce food for livestock?
thinkcontext 5y ago
45% of US corn is used for animal feed, which uses an enormous amount of nitrogen fertilizer. On the other hand, soy is able to fix its own nitrogen thus requiring less fertilizer than corn. Reality is the opposite of what you said.
myshpa 5y ago
Meat and dairy needs not only a lot of land and fertilizers, but also a lot of pesticides/herbicides. Pesticide bioaccumulation in cattle https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7525218/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7525218/ Public Health Implications of Pesticide Residues in Meat https://www.researchgate.net/publication/50434365_Public_Health_Implications_of_Pesticide_Residues_in_Meat https://www.researchgate.net/publication/50434365_Public_Hea...
lm28469 5y ago
Do you think animal based proteins are synthesised out of thin air ?
- thriftwy 5y ago
  Normally it comes out of grass. But the public here seem to assume the only option is to put animals in a building and feed them corn. In this case, you might as well stop eating animal protein, if you can't make it work for you.
  - lm28469 5y ago
    Hm sounds like a bold claim, unless you consider grains as grass. Fully grass fed beef account for 1% of the beef sold in the US for example, and god knows what percentage of this comes from 0 fertiliser crops It's a bit disingenuous to say that animal proteins don't need fertiliser when in fact the extreme vast majority of the animals we eat are fed products or byproducts coming from intensive agriculture which uses fertilisers
    - robonerd 5y ago
      > Fully grass fed beef Typically, "grain fed" cattle are fed with grass for most of their life, and then "finished" in grain lots to plump them up before sale. They aren't raised from birth to steak on grain.

Saanti 5y ago

What about fertilizer needed to produce food for livestock?

thinkcontext 5y ago

45% of US corn is used for animal feed, which uses an enormous amount of nitrogen fertilizer. On the other hand, soy is able to fix its own nitrogen thus requiring less fertilizer than corn. Reality is the opposite of what you said.

myshpa 5y ago

Meat and dairy needs not only a lot of land and fertilizers, but also a lot of pesticides/herbicides. Pesticide bioaccumulation in cattle https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7525218/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/7525218/ Public Health Implications of Pesticide Residues in Meat https://www.researchgate.net/publication/50434365_Public_Health_Implications_of_Pesticide_Residues_in_Meat https://www.researchgate.net/publication/50434365_Public_Hea...

lm28469 5y ago

Do you think animal based proteins are synthesised out of thin air ?

thriftwy 5y ago
Normally it comes out of grass. But the public here seem to assume the only option is to put animals in a building and feed them corn. In this case, you might as well stop eating animal protein, if you can't make it work for you.
- lm28469 5y ago
  Hm sounds like a bold claim, unless you consider grains as grass. Fully grass fed beef account for 1% of the beef sold in the US for example, and god knows what percentage of this comes from 0 fertiliser crops It's a bit disingenuous to say that animal proteins don't need fertiliser when in fact the extreme vast majority of the animals we eat are fed products or byproducts coming from intensive agriculture which uses fertilisers
  - robonerd 5y ago
    > Fully grass fed beef Typically, "grain fed" cattle are fed with grass for most of their life, and then "finished" in grain lots to plump them up before sale. They aren't raised from birth to steak on grain.