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> completely culturally determined Murder, another completely culturally determined taboo. The (presumed, I might add) fact that something is cultural doesn't
by tgv 5y ago
> completely culturally determined
Murder, another completely culturally determined taboo. The (presumed, I might add) fact that something is cultural doesn't change its value. And using bourgeois as dismissive is so 1970s.
- virtualritz 5y agoWhat's your point?
- AlexandrB 5y agoMurder violates the rights of another human being. Whose rights are violated by two consenting adults making out in a club?
- tgv 5y agoA right is just another cultural concept.
- omniglottal 5y agoYour use of language is a cultural concept, too - let's not ignore how your dismissal here is about as valid as if you chose to not use words to express this concept. Having rights is a matter of personal agency, regardless of society's "collective" agency. It is a distinction between cultural and personal control over the individual. You might consider either trying to stop using words altogether, or else maybe recognize that an individual's agency, their "rights", are indeed relevant to the conversation about culture.
- tgv 5y agoLanguage --most likely-- is a natural concept: animals have developed it, too. It builds culture. It's more natural than the taboo on murder, the concept mentioned earlier in the thread. > let's not ignore how your dismissal here My point in the thread was against using "culturally determined" as a way to dismiss an argument. I'll repeat my stance: the fact that something is culturally determined or socially shaped does not alter its meaning or value.
- eternalban 5y agoThe unintended irony of those who throw around "bourgeois" in this context is amusing. Historically, the classes that discounted sexual mores have been the poor and the wealthy and powerful elite. The latter already have long standing social mechanisms for maintaining their social position, and the former are under economic pressures that undermine moral and ethical considerations. It is basically the middle classes that definitively require stable families. So unless OP is manor born -- the working classes do not have leisure time to spend time on HN -- OP is likely a product of a petite-bourgois family who has not really understood the vital necessity of sexual mores for their class.