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Functionality and Security are inversely proportional to each other. If you introduce a "Play Store" in a phone, the security risk automatically increases bill

Functionality and Security are inversely proportional to each other. If you introduce a "Play Store" in a phone, the security risk automatically increases billion times. In an ideal world, There would be some special devices which have very limited set of functionalities inbuilt like calls, message etc which is used by world leaders to communicate.

makeitdouble 4y ago
Wouldn’t that leader still end up with a personal phone that isn’t that secured ? Or at the other end of spectrum have a work device that is so special that it’s extremely identifiable and targetable ? What we have now for work devices with manageable profiles seems to me to be a good balance that should possible to harden enough for extreme cases as well.
- true_religion 4y ago
  Nah not really. Having a top-end iPhone or Samsung be a hardened device by default would mean world leaders would be protected on their personal devices. Also, most anyone who talks to a world leader would get that same protection. On the other hand "run of the mill" phones that you can hand to a teenager (or use as a backup phone) don't need ultra-security and the cost that comes with it. Really low end devices would probably be secure by simple virtue of not having enough features to enable hacking.
daanlo 4y ago
Isn‘t that just a good old Nokia? :)
- ChuckNorris89 4y ago
  Those aren't automatically more secure. Their modems and baseband processors running closed sourced firmware are the main entry points. Ideally, you'd want to build your own phone where you control the supply chain form hardware to software running on it. I do believe the US president has a custom NSA hardened phone.
  - daanlo 4y ago
    Thanks for the explanation :)
- e2le 4y ago
  When was the last time it had it's software updated? 2006?
mschuster91 4y ago
The problem is, even basic functionality apps such as SMS/MMS have been used to exploit phones numerous times, and it's likely that the baseband chipsets (which are in many cases directly connected to the SoC and its memory or at least have a direct connection to the microphone and speaker) are another attack vector that can be remotely targeted.

makeitdouble 4y ago

Wouldn’t that leader still end up with a personal phone that isn’t that secured ? Or at the other end of spectrum have a work device that is so special that it’s extremely identifiable and targetable ? What we have now for work devices with manageable profiles seems to me to be a good balance that should possible to harden enough for extreme cases as well.

true_religion 4y ago
Nah not really. Having a top-end iPhone or Samsung be a hardened device by default would mean world leaders would be protected on their personal devices. Also, most anyone who talks to a world leader would get that same protection. On the other hand "run of the mill" phones that you can hand to a teenager (or use as a backup phone) don't need ultra-security and the cost that comes with it. Really low end devices would probably be secure by simple virtue of not having enough features to enable hacking.

daanlo 4y ago

Isn‘t that just a good old Nokia? :)

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Those aren't automatically more secure. Their modems and baseband processors running closed sourced firmware are the main entry points. Ideally, you'd want to build your own phone where you control the supply chain form hardware to software running on it. I do believe the US president has a custom NSA hardened phone.
- daanlo 4y ago
  Thanks for the explanation :)
e2le 4y ago
When was the last time it had it's software updated? 2006?

mschuster91 4y ago

The problem is, even basic functionality apps such as SMS/MMS have been used to exploit phones numerous times, and it's likely that the baseband chipsets (which are in many cases directly connected to the SoC and its memory or at least have a direct connection to the microphone and speaker) are another attack vector that can be remotely targeted.